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Old 02-11-2016, 06:57 AM
 
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Why should someone who never went to college be required to pay for another person's education?
You already are and have been for decades. You didn't know this? You and your family could have received a massive discount on tuition for in-state public college. It's available now.

In-state colleges offer reduced tuition to in-state students, courtesy of taxpayers in that state(part of each state's budget goes to public colleges) . Tuition for in-state students is often 60%-70% discount today. Paying it forward. Not being a burden to taxpayers, or less likely to be a burden to taxpayers.

Room/board, fees, books are not subsidized today but Bernie's plan doesn't pay for that either.

So it's not the entire college education that Bernie is talking about. Only TUITION and only for in-state public universities. It's not going to be $80k college educations that will then be free. The expensive private universities won't be free. Costs for living on campus at any college won't be free.

BTW - over a lifetime, on average, people with a 4 year degree earn almost double lliftime earnings versus somone with a HS education. Therefore, these college graduates will be paying a lot more in income taxes too, on average.
http://trends.collegeboard.org/educa...ducation-level

Here's a link that says, on average, someone earns $830k more over their lifetime with a 4 year degree. This is good for the country to have people earning more because they are less likely to be leeches. http://www.forbes.com/sites/troyonin.../#216d66b643e9

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Old 02-11-2016, 07:21 AM
 
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You already are and have been for decades.

In-state colleges offer reduced tuition to in-state students. Tuition for in-state students is often 60%-70% discount today. It's already subsidized by the taxpayers. Room/board, fees, books are not subsidized but Bernie's plan doesn't pay for that either.
As a child of two state workers, one a senior supervisor in health and human services,
another in charge of purchasing for a community college and an aunt who is a retired
secretary in state education beaurocracy and the NEA I can affirm not only the in-state
benefit but also the tuition-free status of state workers and their children.
Myself and my sibling went to in-state college tuition-free. This system has been in place
for many decades. I'm sure you're familiar with other programs for scholarships and assistance
also.

People seem to forget that state universities, colleges and community colleges are run by
the state. They already are part of the government although they do maintain semi-independence
that independence is not financial in nature, except for foundations and grants they receive
from non-state sources, which measure up small to the public financing side.
Taxpayers are paying for state colleges, their administration, their footprint, physical plant,
beaurocracy and all associated facets. The federal, state and unionized education influences
are in charge of who runs these schools, how they are run and even the curriculum.

My aunt has seen so much greivous waste and cronyism in the NEA and contracted specialists
that it made her sick. There are so many unecessary layers of bearocracy it is obscene.
Most of the executives have never taught or excelled in their fields of study outside of
education think-tanks and social engineering platforms that impose systems from the
top-down. They are thoroughly wasteful and states will pay huge salaries for these people
who never leave their offices except to go to meetings with their peers. They could all
dissappear and nobody would even care !

So if you're already paying for a bloated beaurocracy and all the costs of infrastructure
along with the salaraies of administrators, instructors, janitors and everyone in-between,
then why in the world shouldn't in-state education be tuition-free in the same way that
K-12 is ? Who can begin a career with a high-school education today?

I would go one more and suggest that job placement be required of both public and private
corporations. This happens in Denmark and Germany and other countries. For example I
have a friend who graduated college in Denmark, worked in Germany, now lives in
Florida and she makes twice as much as her American husband.
She told me that when you graduate university in Denmark, it includes a foot in the door
with decent pay and ladders up in your field of study. Corporations are forced to take
college grads in some type of quota system I am not capable of describing but the point
is if you graduate, you have opportunities and interviews lined up for you in your field
- and the companies are better for it with fresh minds who have learned in the most
modern application of their field available. This is why the Germans are so renowned in
advanced manufacturing ! You would never have to graduate then work landscaping
or in a mall like so many of our college grads do today. America has to grow up and
learn to separate what is good for people from what is good for the ultra-affluent
thumb-diddlers who do nothing but live off generational passive income.

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Old 02-12-2016, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY
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Well, Sanders and Clinton certainly plan to stick their thumbs (and hands) into the pockets and bank accounts of those who've inherited their wealth. Investment income isn't safe, either.

Newsflash: I don't give a fig newton what Denmark does, either. In this country it is (and should remain) our business what we do with our money.
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Old 02-12-2016, 01:31 PM
 
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Well, Sanders and Clinton certainly plan to stick their thumbs (and hands) into the pockets and bank accounts of those who've inherited their wealth. Investment income isn't safe, either.

Newsflash: I don't give a fig newton what Denmark does, either. In this country it is (and should remain) our business what we do with our money.
Mine was marked to bail out the banks.....I don't recall getting a choice. I'm now voting for the choice to get some of it back.
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Old 02-12-2016, 01:37 PM
 
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In this country it is (and should remain) our business what we do with our money.
Whaa ? What were those two IRS responses I sent in the mail this week ?
We are taxed on so many levels. Purchase point. Water. Municipal. Capital Gains.
Excise. Death. College. State. Federal. Travel. Usage fees. Administrative fees.
In our utility bills. on and on.. and what do we get for it ? WHAT ! ?????
At least they actually GET THINGS for it in Europe. We get the shaft.
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Old 02-12-2016, 01:50 PM
 
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Whaa ? What were those two IRS responses I sent in the mail this week ?
We are taxed on so many levels. Purchase point. Water. Municipal. Capital Gains.
Excise. Death. College. State. Federal. Travel. Usage fees. Administrative fees.
In our utility bills. on and on.. and what do we get for it ? WHAT ! ?????
At least they actually GET THINGS for it in Europe. We get the shaft.
Take a walk out side and point in any direction and you will find the answer. It really isn't that hard to figure out.
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