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Old 02-09-2016, 10:17 PM
 
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You are delusional lol. Are you popping those pills Big Pharma forces on you? But, I agree, its a great thing for the country that the Democrats are apparently hell bent on nominating someone who is unelectable.
The guy who is beating all the republicans and drawing huge numbers of independents and non-traditional voters to the voting booths is not only electable but the safest choice.

The American people support his policies. Polls show it. Even Tea Party people support a broad range of the policies he proposes. That's real democracy. Public policy should reflect public opinion, and that's what a candidate beholden to no one but the voters mean. A candidate of the 0.1% have to appeal to 50% of voters. That is getting INCREASINGLY difficult with the internet and a younger generation far more informed and progressive with the corporate media having less influence on people than ever before.
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Old 02-09-2016, 11:59 PM
 
Location: In Transition
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The guy who is beating all the republicans and drawing huge numbers of independents and non-traditional voters to the voting booths is not only electable but the safest choice.

The American people support his policies. Polls show it. Even Tea Party people support a broad range of the policies he proposes. That's real democracy. Public policy should reflect public opinion, and that's what a candidate beholden to no one but the voters mean. A candidate of the 0.1% have to appeal to 50% of voters. That is getting INCREASINGLY difficult with the internet and a younger generation far more informed and progressive with the corporate media having less influence on people than ever before.
Agreed. When Sanders says his policies are for the average person, he walks the walk as well as talks the talk.

I think when people wake up and realize we are ALREADY IN a socialist state (just for large corporations and banks where we socialize the losses and privatize the profits), then they will realize Bernie's socialism does not matter. We have not been in a true capitalist society since the late 1800's. We have already had trillions of redistribution in the last few years we will never be able to pay back. How these "Bernie is a socialist" people defend this is beyond me.
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Old 02-10-2016, 12:21 AM
 
Location: Pacific Northwest
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Same was said of JFK. America would NEVER elect a Catholic. Times are changing my friend.

Sanders is a straight shooter who runs on the same political platform as FDR and Truman, two of the most popular presidents in history, is just what the country wants. He'll get the Democrat vote, but he is CRUSHING Hillary among independents in both polls and elections and is bringing thousands upon thousands of non-traditional voters out to vote for the first time for a candidate who actually cares and is beholden to no one but the people who voted for him. Sanders is the real deal. The very bad anti-worker trade deals and the corrupt campaign finance system is turning the US into a country for the economic royalists while the working class suffers. We are voting for a candidate who will at least acknowledge the issues with the current system and put up a fight for the working class of this country. Not just a candidate who throws the hands up in the air and declares defeat.

Interesting fact. During Sanders' 15 minute victory speech, he got more than $250 000 in donations. More than Goldman Sachs would have given!

Well said PCALMike

It's true that overall we as Americans want change, change for the better of our people. I really believe Bernie when he says we're experiencing a Political Revolution. Go Bernie Go!
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Old 02-10-2016, 12:40 AM
 
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Lots of women in NH going to hell now?
The women just want to hang with the Bernie Bros!
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Old 02-10-2016, 01:34 AM
 
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I suppose CNN, Fox News, and the other cable news outlets working with polling organizations have to proverbially crawl into the minds of voters and create 'categories' that they think will resonate, but that doesn't made it any less a sad commentary on our times. What I'm getting at is this. During the night of the Iowa caucuses, CNN displayed the changing percentage approval numbers for Clinton and Sanders for different categories, each framed as 'Voters to whom _________ is the MOST important issue'. IIRC, there were 7-9 categories. The ones I can remember are....Honesty.....Experience....Shares my values....and can understand my life/plight/station. All categories included responses. IMO, the answers showed the lack of moral fiber of the people responding because there were responses in any category other than honesty. There is that old saying 'why would anyone expect a politician to be honest', but what does that say about society?....Nothing positive. The statistic I remember most from that night in Iowa...Bernie Sanders clobbering Hillary in that Honesty category (discussed above) 83% to 10%.

Within the last hour or so (reporting re results from the New Hampshire primary) , I heard an encouraging opinion on CNN. Carl Bernstein said that what is killing Hillary is how the voters feel about honesty. Within 1-2 seconds after he said that, the graphic I was discussing in the previous paragraph was displayed for the honesty component, this time re New Hampshire voters...Sanders = clobbering Hillary by an even wider margin than in Iowa >> 91% to 5%.

I think the stack of reasons re why Hillary shouldn't be elected president is as high as Mt. Everest, but the most important reason is how easily she lies. I find Bernstein's words encouraging. I hope Bernie gets the nomination, but doesn't get elected president. However, if he did get elected, one positive would be that it would elevate my opinion of the populace in general...giving the belief that honesty is critical a needed shot in the arm. However, I think if much of what he wants to do comes to pass..... It would be interesting to see if corporate inversions would spike if he got elected and was able to implement his plans.
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Old 02-10-2016, 02:25 AM
 
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And the joke is on the Democrats. He's unelectable. Now what?
Same claims were made against Ronald Reagan because he was an actor.
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Old 02-10-2016, 03:51 AM
 
Location: Michissippi
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And the joke is on the Democrats. He's unelectable. Now what?
How exactly is Bernie Sanders unelectable? If Sanders wins the nomination, do you think the Democratic base is going to vote for Republicans who advocate Christian totalitarianism and a transfer of wealth from the working people to the top 1%?

Ironically, Bernie has more appeal to independents and members of the Republican base than Hillary does.
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Old 02-10-2016, 04:51 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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The heck with electable or unelectable. Let's finally get some candidates that will represent the working class people instead of Billionaires. The heck we need need more Billionaire stooges in the White House or Congress.

Go with "electable" if you want. I'm not looking to "win". I'm looking for someone who genuinely cares about the future of working families, children, the future of this country and the future of this world. Someone who genuinely cares about something other than making $billions more for themselves and their masters.

I'm sick and tired of the Bushes, the Clintons, the RoboRubios, and the likes. No reason to even vote if it is between Billionaire Stooge One and Billionaire Stooge Two.
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Old 02-10-2016, 04:53 AM
 
Location: Eastern Tennessee
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The guy who is beating all the republicans and drawing huge numbers of independents and non-traditional voters to the voting booths is not only electable but the safest choice.

The American people support his policies. Polls show it. Even Tea Party people support a broad range of the policies he proposes. That's real democracy. Public policy should reflect public opinion, and that's what a candidate beholden to no one but the voters mean. A candidate of the 0.1% have to appeal to 50% of voters. That is getting INCREASINGLY difficult with the internet and a younger generation far more informed and progressive with the corporate media having less influence on people than ever before.
CD wouldn't let me rep you but I agree with your points.
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Old 02-10-2016, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Michissippi
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I'm sick and tired of the Bushes, the Clintons, the RoboRubios, and the likes. No reason to even vote if it is between Billionaire Stooge One and Billionaire Stooge Two.
You don't want Hillary Clinton, D-Goldman Sachs?
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