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Old 02-12-2016, 09:10 AM
 
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There has been net negative migration from Mexico to US in recent years. Contrary to your impression, more Mexicans are leaving the US than are moving in:

More Mexicans Leaving Than Coming to the U.S. | Pew Research Center
Have you been to a large city lately? Are you older than 30 years old? Anyone who answers yes to both of those questions will know that the 11.2 million number is way wrong, regardless of what the source of it is.

Unless you outsource your thinking functions to the media and just bleat back whatever they tell you, without any independent thinking of your own.
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Old 02-12-2016, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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There has been net negative migration from Mexico to US in recent years. Contrary to your impression, more Mexicans are leaving the US than are moving in:
We hear this every 4 years just to calm people down. Nothing to worry. They are going back. Nobody is going back. How do they know anyway? Did they stamp their "passports?" Oh, where are those bus convoys clogging the highways to take back all the illegals? When it comes to Trump we have to "round them up". When it suits your purpose they are happily leaving on their own.
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Old 02-12-2016, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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I lean right and only listen to Rush when trapped in the car. Anyone can tell that Rush in his round a bout phoney way is supporting Cruz. What Rush likes about Trump is he does not kow tow to the establishment media that Rush is part of but not honest enough to admit. Rush's main objective is too be a mouth piece for the {R} party. You can tell Rush is supporting Cruz, Cruz has a ad where that gas bag is just heaping praise on him. If you listen to Rush you have heard Cruz's campaign commercial.
Listen to Hannity carefully and you can tell Cruz is his man, how conservatives miss this is beyond me.
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Old 02-12-2016, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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By the way, Reagan worked with Tip O'Neil and the {D}s to get meaningful legislation passed. Can anyone in their right mind say Cruz would do the same? That proves Cruz is no Reagan right there and the {R}s should stop brain washing people with this nonsense.
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Old 02-12-2016, 10:43 AM
 
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Have you been to a large city lately? Are you older than 30 years old? Anyone who answers yes to both of those questions will know that the 11.2 million number is way wrong, regardless of what the source of it is.

Unless you outsource your thinking functions to the media and just bleat back whatever they tell you, without any independent thinking of your own.
Yes, I'm quite a bit over 30, unfortunately, and routinely travel to big cities all over the country as part of my work. As a thinking person, I seek out data and statistics to inform my ideas, rather than rely on first impressions based on one small area or one point in time.

On what do you base your assertion that 11.2 milllion number is "way wrong"? Have you personally visited every state in the union and counted the number of illegal immigrants? Have you consulted the many government and private agencies that track such data? If you have no evidence to back up your claim I suggest you open your mind to the possibility that your preformed opinions may be mistaken.
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Old 02-12-2016, 11:06 AM
 
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The difference between Reagan and Trump in that regard is that Reagan had a pivot point in his principles that he was able to clearly articulate. Trump is a Populist and his only concern is what is best for him to profess at any given time.

Sorry to burst your bubble. Reagan was a great conservative president. He was no Calvin Coolidge, but he has been the most conservative president to inhabit the WH since Coolidge.


Conservative President? Under the definition of today's purists in the Republican Party Reagan would have a hard time getting the nomination as a conservative.

Reagan like FDR was a great speaker and his speeches sounded poetic but don't let that fool you. He was a moderate who made deals with Democrats to pass bills. He did it as governor and he did it as President.

. Reagan was a serial tax raiser. As governor of California, Reagan “signed into law the largest tax increase in the history of any state up till then.” Meanwhile, state spending nearly doubled. As president, Reagan “raised taxes in seven of his eight years in office,” including four times in just two years. As former GOP Senator Alan Simpson, who called Reagan “a dear friend,” told NPR, “Ronald Reagan raised taxes 11 times in his administration — I was there.” “Reagan was never afraid to raise taxes,” said historian Douglas Brinkley, who edited Reagan’s memoir. Reagan the anti-tax zealot is “false mythology,” Brinkley said.

Reagan nearly tripled the federal budget deficit.
During the Reagan years, the debt increased to nearly $3 trillion, “roughly three times as much as the first 80 years of the century had done altogether.” Reagan enacted a major tax cut his first year in office and government revenue dropped off precipitously. Despite the conservative myth that tax cuts somehow increase revenue, the government went deeper into debt and Reagan had to raise taxes just a year after he enacted his tax cut. Despite ten more tax hikes on everything from gasoline to corporate income, Reagan was never able to get the deficit under control.

4. Reagan grew the size of the federal government tremendously. Reagan promised “to move boldly, decisively, and quickly to control the runaway growth of federal spending,” but federal spending “ballooned” under Reagan. He bailed out Social Security in 1983 after attempting to privatize it, and set up a progressive taxation system to keep it funded into the future. He promised to cut government agencies like the Department of Energy and Education but ended up adding one of the largest — the Department of Veterans’ Affairs, which today has a budget of nearly $90 billion and close to 300,000 employees. He also hiked defense spending by over $100 billion a year to a level not seen since the height of the Vietnam war.

Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million undocumented immigrants. Reagan signed into law a bill that made any immigrant who had entered the country before 1982 eligible for amnesty. The bill was sold as a crackdown, but its tough sanctions on employers who hired undocumented immigrants were removed before final passage. The bill helped 3 million people and millions more family members gain American residency. It has since become a source of major embarrassment for conservatives.

As governor of California in 1967, Reagan signed a bill to liberalize the state’s abortion laws that “resulted in more than a million abortions.”




He was a great President, I voted for him TWICE but lets not fool each other here. He was hardly a conservative President in the definition of today's conservative base. If Reagan was running today with his record he would get crucified by the likes of Cruz, National Review and the rest of the purists in the Republican Party. So lets stop with the hypocrisy.....Presidents have to make deals to get shi@t done. If Cruz think he can govern as President with a strict narrow conservative ideology and its his way or the highway approach and make the House and Senate do everything he wants then his supporters and the purists in the party are in fantasy land.
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Old 02-12-2016, 11:14 AM
 
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Were does this estimate come from? The estimate was 12 million back in 2004, when GWB was running for re-election. There has the be at least three times that now and maybe quite a bit more. How many cities are predominately Hispanic now, with native Spanish speakers?

I know it is not your estimate and I am not trying to blame you for it.

But 11.2 million? That number is an actual reduction from what it was estimated to be 11 years ago. That estimate is not even close.
Yeah, I can't tell you where that figure comes from. That may represent the one's "living in the shadows."
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Old 02-12-2016, 11:17 AM
 
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Actually, Lincoln revoked habeus corpus during the Civil War, so that was a definite mark against his conservative bona fides.
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Lincoln (and Grant) were not conservatives. At the time of the Civil War, the Republican Party was the progressive party. Democrats were for maintaining slavery, and had much of their power base in the South. It's remarkable how the two parties have completely flip-flopped since then.

Also remarkable is how polarized the parties have become since 1980. Back then, Reagan and Jack Kemp were considered arch conservatives. Today, both would be considered too liberal by most Republicans. Reagan was closer to John Kasich than Ted Cruz.

That is why I consider Cruz closer to Coolidge. And I think that our nation is in desperate need of Calvin Coolidge in the WH.
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Old 02-12-2016, 11:22 AM
 
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By the way, Reagan worked with Tip O'Neil and the {D}s to get meaningful legislation passed. Can anyone in their right mind say Cruz would do the same? That proves Cruz is no Reagan right there and the {R}s should stop brain washing people with this nonsense.
Yet Reagan despised Tip O'Neill. The way Reagan got things done was to use his role as President to spread the message of conservatism and as the voters saw the benefits, they would pressure their representatives to work with Reagan. It was not done by force.

Cruz has never had the opportunity to work with a President, or a Senate Majority Leader who was willing to compromise, so you really have no basis to say that Cruz is unwilling to compromise.
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Old 02-12-2016, 11:24 AM
 
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