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Old 02-13-2016, 09:23 AM
 
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Substitute "Hillary" or "Obama" for "Trump" and answer your own question.
Correct, which is why I voting for Bernie!
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Old 02-13-2016, 09:24 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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You vastly underestimate the power of strategic negotiation.
You vastly overestimate it in terms of what Trump will actually be able to accomplish.

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Sanders is well intentioned, he is just proposing irresponsible ideas that cannot be paid for........ yet.
I agree. We are not there and he is promising things that he will never be able to deliver. It's highly unlikely the Dems are going to regain a majority and the thought that Sanders will just be able to 'overwhelm' Washington with his supporters and have a HUGE mandate - is not being borne out by the numbers.
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Old 02-13-2016, 09:28 AM
 
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Making deals in business where Trump is essentially a dictator doesn't necessary translate to being able to run a country where he won't be pulling all the strings and isn't in control of all the balls in the air.
I guess you have not noticed how Obama has ruled the last 7 yrs.
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Old 02-13-2016, 09:32 AM
 
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Sanders is well intentioned, he is just proposing irresponsible ideas that cannot be paid for........ yet.
No President gets everything he wants accomplished.
We don't have to worry about him turning us in to a socialist state.

But what if he (with Congress) could give us a better, more sustainable healthcare law?

Probably not totally eliminate cash in elections but maybe reduce Wall Street control of Washington.

Maybe not free college, but move back to financing and grants that allow our youth to compete in the global economy.

Spend more on our infrastructure and less on foreign intervention and foreign aid.
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Old 02-13-2016, 09:34 AM
 
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Trump is for Trump. Always has been. Dont get fooled so easily by this guy. He will play along to get along when he needs to to suit his needs. He just said last week that he can change just like that to whatever he needs to be.

This man would do a deal with Satan if it benefited him, and you all know it. No, he didn't donate to and pal around with liberals like the Clintons and Pelosi because theyre great friends. He did it because he has no morals and he needed to do what he had to do for $$$$ reasons. He is an outright fraud and playing all of you for fools.

At the very start, I liked the guy. That's before I knew much about him. He didn't change along the way because he evolved on beliefs or morals. He changes when it suits him best. He has no real value, beliefs or morals. The only thing he cares about is Trump; Im not sure how that can't be any more obvious. He doesnt hide it very well.
He is not my choice in the primaries, yet he is still head and shoulders above Bern and Hillary.
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Old 02-13-2016, 09:53 AM
Status: "Elect a clown? Expect a circus!" (set 26 days ago)
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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You're joking, right? If you think successful & rich = rational & well balanced, you apparently never heard of Howard Hughes.
Or Saddam Hussein!
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Old 02-13-2016, 10:16 AM
Status: "Elect a clown? Expect a circus!" (set 26 days ago)
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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No President gets everything he wants accomplished.
We don't have to worry about him turning us in to a socialist state.

But what if he (with Congress) could give us a better, more sustainable healthcare law?

Probably not totally eliminate cash in elections but maybe reduce Wall Street control of Washington.

Maybe not free college, but move back to financing and grants that allow our youth to compete in the global economy.

Spend more on our infrastructure and less on foreign intervention and foreign aid.
Sounds like a good plan, let's hear more about it other than the meaningless sound-bite: Make America Great Again!


And let's hear some details before the election.
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Old 02-13-2016, 10:19 AM
Status: "Elect a clown? Expect a circus!" (set 26 days ago)
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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You vastly underestimate the power of strategic negotiation.
Donny vastly overestimates the power of the military by itself.

He tells us: "You know the thing I’ll be great at that people aren’t thinking? And I do very well at it. Military. I am the toughest guy. I will rebuild our military. It will be so strong, and so powerful, and so great. It will be so powerful and so great that we’ll never have to use it. Nobody’s going to mess with us, folks. Nobody"

It's really a shame nobody bothered to tell the 9/11 attackers just how strong and powerful our military was in 2001.
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Old 02-13-2016, 10:25 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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Yes, he can. Trump is very talented when it comes to making deals. Anybody deny this don't know his history or don't know how business works.

I also I am sick and tired of people who constantly bringing up the four bankruptcy.

Trump doesn’t deny that four of his businesses have filed for bankruptcy. He argues, however, that filing for bankruptcy is a common business decision, and he was smart to make the moves when he did.

The first bankruptcy associated with Trump was perhaps the most significant in terms of his personal finances. Trump gave up half his personal stake in the casino and sold his yacht and airline, according to the Washington Post.

While it would be better to avoid a situation where Chapter 11 reorganization is necessary, filing for bankruptcy can be a "sound business decision" when the company is facing serious financial problems.
Sound business decision for who? The business declaring bankruptcy, sure, but for all the people that business owes money to it stinks and often leads to other businesses having to close their doors. Bankruptcy is forcing others to pay for your bad decisions. Trump benefitted and others paid, I'm sure he did consider that a great solution.
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Old 02-13-2016, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Trump is for Trump. Always has been. Dont get fooled so easily by this guy. He will play along to get along when he needs to to suit his needs. He just said last week that he can change just like that to whatever he needs to be. s

This man would do a deal with Satan if it benefited him, and you all know it. No, he didn't donate to and pal around with liberals like the Clintons and Pelosi because theyre great friends. He did it because he has no morals and he needed to do what he had to do for $$$$ reasons. He is an outright fraud and playing all of you for fools.

At the very start, I liked the guy. That's before I knew much about him. He didn't change along the way because he evolved on beliefs or morals. He changes when it suits him best. He has no real value, beliefs or morals. The only thing he cares about is Trump; Im not sure how that can't be any more obvious. He doesnt hide it very well.
I have wondered the same thing since day one. His appeal is beyond me. I understand he knows where our problems lie, but his reasoning on how to fix them are either a secret to most or totally unworkable. He has no charm or charisma unless taking fun and insulting people who do not agree with you is charming to some. He isn't PC, we all admire that in him but there is a way to not be PC and still not be crude and rude. Last but not least, he is an outsider. That isn't always a good thing.
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