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Old 02-13-2016, 07:48 AM
 
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So? How many birther lawsuits were filed against Obama's citizenship ....
there were over 230.
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Old 02-13-2016, 07:51 AM
 
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The SCOTUS has long interpreted the phrase "natural born citizen" to mean "born a citizen", ie, not a citizen by naturalization. A person is "born a citizen" if he or she is born in the US or is born in a foreign country with at least one American citizen parent. Clearly, the intent of phrase in the US Constitution was to prevent foreign control of the US government via somebody with foreign loyalties. .
Please cite the court ruling where this is the true. I think you will find they have not done this in terms of being qualified to run for president.

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But the facts end - and the legal dispute begins - with the Constitution and its requirement that presidents be 'natural born citizens'.
It is the only place the phrase appears in current US law and crucially, the Supreme Court has never ruled on what precisely it means.
There is a key division of legal opinion on whether to qualify to be a 'natural born citizen' is a higher bar than simply being a citizen from birth.
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Old 02-13-2016, 07:52 AM
 
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So? How many birther lawsuits were filed against Obama's citizenship and how many weren't dismissed out of hand over the last 8 years? You assume that state courts are as anxious to stick their snouts into the electoral process as you and your hero are. Well, guess again.
Different situation. That argument was that Obama was not born in the USA. Clearly he was because he has a US birth certificate. Ted Cruz doesn't.
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Old 02-13-2016, 08:50 AM
 
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"For persons born between December 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true:[10]

The person's parents were married at the time of birth
One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person was born
The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child's birth;
A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday."

Cruz was a citizen at time of birth according to the Naturalization law at the time of his birth.

However, the issue will keep coming up and never resolved. He deserves the treatment.
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Old 02-13-2016, 08:59 AM
 
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However, the issue will keep coming up and never resolved. He deserves the treatment.
What you quoted does not address the issue at hand. Cruz's citizenship isn't in question.
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Old 02-13-2016, 09:02 AM
 
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What you quoted does not address the issue at hand. Cruz's citizenship isn't in question.
Absolutely. He was a citizen at birth. Period. The Supreme Court is not going to overrule the Naturalization Law as being unconstitutional and nullifying all naturally born citizens since 1954.

However, it will never get to the Supreme Court and Trump supporters will keep it in the news. No one deserves it more than Cruz.
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Old 02-13-2016, 09:17 AM
 
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What you quoted does not address the issue at hand. Cruz's citizenship isn't in question.
What does address the question at hand, as you are very well aware, is Donald Trump's public statement last fall stating that he and his lawyers looked into this and determined that Cruz is eligible.

Then when Cruz reminded Trump and the world about these comments during the Iowa debate, Trump confirmed that this was not actually about any concerns with Cruz's eligibility to be president, but was in response to Cruz's rise in the polls.

And yet Trump continues to lie about this, even though he has publicly confirmed that he knows better. Not to be outdone, you continue to repeat this lie even though you know better, you liar.
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Old 02-13-2016, 11:03 AM
 
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Different situation.
not completely.

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That argument was that Obama was not born in the USA.
altho many birthers claimed he was "born in kenya" and/or "renounced his US citizenship to become indonesian" there were also many who filed legal action claiming obama did not meet the requirement because his father was not a US citizen ( ankeny v daniels, pupura/moran v obama )

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Clearly he was because he has a US birth certificate.
states issue and maintain birth certificates, not the federal government. many states, including HI, will issue birth certificates to people born outside the state and/or country ( with the appropriate place of birth listed ).
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Old 02-13-2016, 11:10 AM
 
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.... Donald Trump's public statement last fall stating that he and his lawyers looked into this and determined that Cruz is eligible.
actually, donald claimed "every lawyer" had looked into and cruz was eligible.

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... Trump confirmed that this was not actually about any concerns with Cruz's eligibility to be president, but was in response to Cruz's rise in the polls.
yep. pretty clear cut motives on that one.

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And yet Trump continues to lie about this, even though he has publicly confirmed that he knows better.
yep.
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Old 02-13-2016, 12:08 PM
 
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Absolutely. He was a citizen at birth. Period. The Supreme Court is not going to overrule the Naturalization Law as being unconstitutional and nullifying all naturally born citizens since 1954.

However, it will never get to the Supreme Court and Trump supporters will keep it in the news. No one deserves it more than Cruz.
This makes no sense. The citizenship of citizens is not in question.
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