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Old 02-13-2016, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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There is something to be said for making your own way in life.

Many may not agree but I believe GIVING kids stuff does not teach them anything.

My problem with Bernie is his give a-ways to our nations young people. Forcing minimum wage to $15 an hour without working your way up to it, giving free college like it is a right, pushing for prolonged family leave all leave negative impacts not apparent to our society in the short term.

Forcing minimum wage makes the mom & pop stores struggle and doesn't inspire youth to move up the corporate ladder. In order to pay $15 an hour stores will raise prices to afford the wage hike. So everything you buy will suddenly become more expensive.

Free college punishes the taxpayer when they are already paying property taxes to pay for the schools & again does not teach our youth to do well in school to obtain the grades to go to the college of their choice. Even couples, such as my husband and I who don't have children and are now retired and have paid school taxes our whole lives are now going to have to fund their college too when we paid for our own without our parents help.

Prolonged family leave again punishes employees & employer who are forced to find someone to fill in for the on leave person and take up the slack for someone being on paid leave.

Just as the poor in big cities vote Democrat to obtain more benefits in the form of freebees, we are teaching our youth to do the same to avoid the natural culling of the lazy uninspired in favor of the blossoming entrepreneurs who work hard to make a life for themselves.

I may be of a different era than most of you but there is much to be said of the pride that comes from working your way up in life.

Plus....I have never met a Veteran who enlisted to fight for Socialism......
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Old 02-13-2016, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Wow....No opinions?
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Old 02-13-2016, 03:52 PM
 
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Trump and Sanders are different results of the same issue. People are sick of politics (and politicians) as usual. So they're going for the perceived outsiders. Although considering a sitting senator as an outsider is a bit of a stretch.
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Old 02-13-2016, 03:52 PM
 
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The Value of a college education will be worth toilet paper if he makes all college tuition free.

And the college loans that many of us have better be eliminated if College becomes "Free"

Many people in higher education will lose their jobs. I can say its good he truly believes what he says and has passion behind his convictions (Unlike clinton). But the guy is a nut. I don't want us dependent on government the rest of our lives (and even moreso with Sanders).. Do you? They control enough.

Trump is a useless turd with no answer to any issues. (Just more empty promises like Obumroid) and no experience outside of business for the job.

Cruz is the only candidate worth two craps in this election cycle. Rubio is just a human teleprompter.
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Old 02-13-2016, 04:05 PM
 
Location: the Sticks
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The Value of a college education will be worth toilet paper if he makes all college tuition free.

And the college loans that many of us have better be eliminated if College becomes "Free"

Many people in higher education will lose their jobs. I can say its good he truly believes what he says and has passion behind his convictions (Unlike clinton). But the guy is a nut. I don't want us dependent on government the rest of our lives (and even moreso with Sanders).. Do you? They control enough
We all depend upon the government. What I am opposed to, is the idea that politicians know what is best for me, or that they even care. Politicians are elitists. Look at Hillary, Kerry, Jeb Bush, and yes Sanders.
They all seem to feel that they know what we really need and all without asking us. Take from one to give to another. What real job has Sanders worked outside of politics successfully in the last 25 years? How does he know what it is to work in a factory or on a farm, or any private sector job?
What Sanders and Trump and Ted Cruz demonstrates is a deep discontent with our elected reps and what the 2 parties deliver.
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Old 02-13-2016, 04:10 PM
 
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As a financially privileged student who wants to become a doctor, I would not personally benefit by voting for Mr. Sanders. But voting for Mr. Sanders is my way of giving a big middle finger to the cruel way the government has been treating the poor and beating up other countries for profit. I can assure you that it has nothing to do with getting freebies. I just want the cruelty to end.

I don't mean to attack anyone, BTW, I'm just saying that Bernie supporters might not be voting for him for the reason you may think we are.
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Old 02-13-2016, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Pahoa Hawaii
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There is something to be said for making your own way in life.

Many may not agree but I believe GIVING kids stuff does not teach them anything.

My problem with Bernie is his give a-ways to our nations young people. Forcing minimum wage to $15 an hour without working your way up to it, giving free college like it is a right, pushing for prolonged family leave all leave negative impacts not apparent to our society in the short term.

Forcing minimum wage makes the mom & pop stores struggle and doesn't inspire youth to move up the corporate ladder. In order to pay $15 an hour stores will raise prices to afford the wage hike. So everything you buy will suddenly become more expensive.

Free college punishes the taxpayer when they are already paying property taxes to pay for the schools & again does not teach our youth to do well in school to obtain the grades to go to the college of their choice. Even couples, such as my husband and I who don't have children and are now retired and have paid school taxes our whole lives are now going to have to fund their college too when we paid for our own without our parents help.

Prolonged family leave again punishes employees & employer who are forced to find someone to fill in for the on leave person and take up the slack for someone being on paid leave.

Just as the poor in big cities vote Democrat to obtain more benefits in the form of freebees, we are teaching our youth to do the same to avoid the natural culling of the lazy uninspired in favor of the blossoming entrepreneurs who work hard to make a life for themselves.

I may be of a different era than most of you but there is much to be said of the pride that comes from working your way up in life.

Plus....I have never met a Veteran who enlisted to fight for Socialism......
You're laboring under the illusion that everybody working a minimum wage job is a kid. Many are women with kids and men who never had enough money for an education, so don't qualify for a "good" job.
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Old 02-13-2016, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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This post is not about anyone but Sanders.

My point is the dumbing down of a free college education that has to be fair and pass everyone (I do not believe in this)

The thread is about people appreciating what they put an effort into

Its about a fear that our young people will be so blindsided by the free stuff that they give up the hard work and pride that comes from working hard to elevate their jobs and lives.
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Old 02-13-2016, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Pahoa Hawaii
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Where do you get "everybody gets passed"? When did Sanders say that? Every student gets a chance to succeed or fail.
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Old 02-13-2016, 07:34 PM
 
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I remember back when diners had a little phonominium in each booth.
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