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Old 02-15-2016, 05:37 AM
 
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Let's be honest, every single presidential candidate since beginning of time has lied. Including every one running this year. A President, by him- or herself, cannot effectuate 98% of what they are promising. An executive order can only go so far, and besides the Republicans seem to think every Executive Order is unconstitutional, immoral and un-American . . . . or more likely only when it is Obama issuing them. Congress would surely cork block everything, even if it is a Republican president like Hillary or a Democratic one like Mr. Trump . . . because the conservative politicians must prove how no one out-conservative them.

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Old 02-15-2016, 11:20 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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.. .Tired of the establishment?

Do you really think he believes and will follow through on ANYthing he says?

I just can't believe that will bring back or keep jobs in America. He himself has off shored tons of jobs to China.
The answer to your question is Yes and No.

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I'm a regular, white guy on the street working a middle class job in a flyover state.

Here in flyover country, we're totally crapped on by coastal politicians. What plays in NY/CA doesn't play here in IN.

Just this week, Carrier announced they were sending 1400 local jobs to Mexico. Trump responded to that with some specifics about taxing imported goods from Mexico. If I was one of those workers, the fact that any politician was speaking to MY NEEDS would be enough to get me to vote for him. State and even local workers picked it up.

I work in IT. I've seen Americans passed up for work to have an H-1B hired instead. Trump is tough on immigration. To me, that resonates.

I believe in God, but I'm not religious, and all the religious rhetoric coming from other candidates makes me uncomfortable. Trump doesn't get out into those weeds. For all the news traffic on religious conservatives, I'd say there are at least as many folks like me who aren't comfortable with overly preachy candidates. Trump is not preachy, and is only nominally religious, if at all.

Trump is really running as a nationalist, and there is a lot of sentiment out there for that, especially in flyover, white America.
I saw that video of Carrier's employees. Heartbreaking. I've had several offices close myself but I was in a position to relocate.

To add insult to injury ~ now I'm reading that this same company got $5 million in stimulus money???

I guess my question is - what could Trump do to stop this company?

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Bernie is the one who is in charge of pandering to folks who don't know which way is up.
Well, to be fair, I think most of them are young and in college and a lot of him aren't paying their own bills. They are captivated by his honesty and his heart ~ but they aren't pragmatic.
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Old 02-15-2016, 11:27 AM
Status: "Elect a clown? Expect a circus!" (set 5 days ago)
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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I'm a regular, white guy on the street working a middle class job in a flyover state.

Here in flyover country, we're totally crapped on by coastal politicians. What plays in NY/CA doesn't play here in IN.
Uh, the last time we had a coastal POTUS was the Reagan era, and people seem to like him.

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Just this week, Carrier announced they were sending 1400 local jobs to Mexico. Trump responded to that with some specifics about taxing imported goods from Mexico. If I was one of those workers, the fact that any politician was speaking to MY NEEDS would be enough to get me to vote for him. State and even local workers picked it up.
Actions speak louder than words and Trump himself has offshored jobs when cheap labor put more $$$ in his pocket.
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Old 02-15-2016, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Lightbulb Is Trump just pandering to the disillusioned, disgruntled american?

Partly, yes.

But remember that he's primarily an entertainer with years of experience with his own prime time TV show.

He knows how to entertain a TV audience.
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Old 02-15-2016, 11:58 AM
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Partly, yes.

But remember that he's primarily an entertainer with years of experience with his own prime time TV show.

He knows how to entertain a TV audience.

Scary thought, if that puts him in the White House it opens the door to the Kardashians et al!
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Old 02-15-2016, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Out West
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I'm a regular, white guy on the street working a middle class job in a flyover state.

Here in flyover country, we're totally crapped on by coastal politicians. What plays in NY/CA doesn't play here in IN.

Just this week, Carrier announced they were sending 1400 local jobs to Mexico. Trump responded to that with some specifics about taxing imported goods from Mexico. If I was one of those workers, the fact that any politician was speaking to MY NEEDS would be enough to get me to vote for him. State and even local workers picked it up.

I work in IT. I've seen Americans passed up for work to have an H-1B hired instead. Trump is tough on immigration. To me, that resonates.

I believe in God, but I'm not religious, and all the religious rhetoric coming from other candidates makes me uncomfortable. Trump doesn't get out into those weeds. For all the news traffic on religious conservatives, I'd say there are at least as many folks like me who aren't comfortable with overly preachy candidates. Trump is not preachy, and is only nominally religious, if at all.

Trump is really running as a nationalist, and there is a lot of sentiment out there for that, especially in flyover, white America.
Yep. I said pretty much the same here: http://www.city-data.com/forum/elect...l#post42988807

This is what the establishment followers on both the left and the right are not hearing. Isn't it nice that these establishment followers are mocking and insulting the very people you're talking about? These people who just lost their jobs and are mad, you've got fellow Americans telling them they're idiots for being mad. And they can't understand why Trump continues to do well.

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My point is that while that type of appeal might work with certain voters, it won't work with congress.

Trump was very good at using daddy's money to make more money with easy bets and sure things (when he wasn't going bankrupt-- of course, dad saved him again from that one), but he's not much more than a spoiled brat who has absolutely no appreciation of how life works for any of his supporters.

He might be able to afford to offer you infeasible fantasy worlds, but his bull**** (and it is the most obviously clueless bull**** I have ever heard from a politician) is going to be laughed at in congress and all around the world as well.
More jealousy. As I said to another, do you have any idea how many millions it takes to create a single billion? He turned that million in to something enormous, through hard work, through making deals, and no matter what you think about Trump, you can't deny that he knows how to make deals. Frankly, we need someone who knows how to make deals because what he says is true - we are constantly getting the short end of the stick in the deals that we make.

And some of the things he's proposing, he can do them very easily. This was pointed out in another thread by another poster, but it is actually possible to do what Trump says he's going to do.

The only people who sound like spoiled brats are the ones who continue to whine and cry about Trump. I continue to ask: If you all think he's such a joke, you all thought he wouldn't make it this far, you all continued to post over and over again that "this time he's done"....why do you keep talking about him? I think Sanders ideas are ridiculous and will never pass, but I don't go in to every single Sanders thread and cry about it, I don't start multiple threads about Sanders carrying on and seething, because I fully believe that Sanders will never be president. Heck, I don't even bash on Sanders supporters - the most I've said is that Sanders isn't going to get them jack squat, but the absolute mud slinging that goes on from those who hate Trump...it's ironic actually. You all call him a bully, say he's angry and has a temper, that he insults people.....and yet you anti-Trump people do EXACTLY that when talking to your fellow citizens.
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Old 02-15-2016, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Somewhere
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Scary thought, if that puts him in the White House it opens the door to the Kardashians et al!
He will run in 2020. If Trump is alive by then and runs republican, those two are gonna have some interesting debates. Instead of talking about mooning they can talk about Twitter playlists

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Old 02-15-2016, 01:35 PM
 
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Excellent post, Three Wolves!
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Old 02-15-2016, 01:40 PM
 
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Hes pandering to the stupid. How can you cry about China and Mexico stealing jobs from Americans and you are mad as hell when YOUR OWN CLOTHING LINE is made in CHINA and MEXICO?! So will he bring back all those jobs HE stole from Americans? He's such a pathetic fraud.
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Old 02-16-2016, 01:11 AM
 
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Again, the same tired liberals ranting about Trump.

They're afraid of him.

That's good.

They don't talk about Hillary and Bernie because Hillary and Bernie have nothing to offer -- other than First Woman President and Socialist Pipe Dream.
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