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Old 02-14-2016, 06:35 PM
 
Location: The Pacific Northwest
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That was a very thoughtful response and I thank you for it.

One thought: I agree with your view that he doesn't answer to anyone but himself. Are you certain that if he's elected President that would change and he would be comfortable answering to the American people?
No, that's what I'm undecided on. His temperament mostly. I don't doubt his authenticity but I do have some doubt in that regard.
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Old 02-14-2016, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Under a bridge
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Trump had a terrible debate. He acted VERY immature and he did not act 'presidential'. CBS set him up bad and he took the bait along with Bush, Rubio and Cruz. Trump should have known that his buttons were going to be pushed. Trump called out former president Bush in a state where G. W. Bush is popular for the sole purpose to attack Jeb Bush. How asinine. IF Trump wins the nomination he is going to get absolutely crushed by either Sanders or Clinton in debates and then in the election.

As a conservative that leans Libertarian I feel that all our conservative candidates, especially Trump, leave a lot be desired. After watching the debate my hope for a conservative to win the presidency eroded even more.
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Old 02-14-2016, 07:18 PM
 
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Trump had a terrible debate. He acted VERY immature and he did not act 'presidential'. CBS set him up bad and he took the bait along with Bush, Rubio and Cruz. Trump should have known that his buttons were going to be pushed. Trump called out former president Bush in a state where G. W. Bush is popular for the sole purpose to attack Jeb Bush. How asinine. IF Trump wins the nomination he is going to get absolutely crushed by either Sanders or Clinton in debates and then in the election.

As a conservative that leans Libertarian I feel that all our conservative candidates, especially Trump, leave a lot be desired. After watching the debate my hope for a conservative to win the presidency eroded even more.
Even though I didn't like the tone of this debate I respectfully have to disagree with you.

Trump has a huge chance to become the next President as many are sick and tired of this President and it is on other sides of the aisle and Trump can win the vote of many Rep., Dem. and Indep.
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Old 02-14-2016, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Talking SO confused...

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Sorry, you are the one fogged, please read, if you can.....

I see. that was the resolution for military force against all entities that attacked us on 9/11.

You don't understand who attacked us on 9/11.

<hint> it wasn't Iraq.

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Old 02-14-2016, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Thank you.

Contrary to your admonishments, I never said you weren't a Republican, I simply asked you what made you one.

I see from your response that you are a liberal Republican. I appreciate that you've explained what differentiates you from the conservative wing of the Party. Exactly what beliefs, values, or positions differentiate you from the Democrats?
I am not the poster in question but alas I think the difference between Rockefellers and Democrats is the social programs part. I know some Rockefellers wanted merely reform of New Deal Programs (think Dewey) but I don't think many fully agreed with the Great Society of Johnson. Sadly we don't know this because the narrative of 1964 on the Republican side was blocking it entirely (sound familiar anyone?) Rockefellers are somewhere in between reform and get rid of.
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Old 02-14-2016, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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Trump had a terrible debate. He acted VERY immature and he did not act 'presidential'.
This was said after the first, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth and now the ninth(?) debate. Those who want to see him as whiner and immature will continue to do so regardless of what he says. Also, remember that what you consider as a negative may be exactly what his supporters like about him.
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Old 02-14-2016, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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Are you defending George Bush now? How easy it is to manipulate you.
No one blamed FDR for the attack on Pearl Harbor did they? Who expected crazies to fly airplanes into skyscrapers?

Only Trump would use one of the worst days in our nation's history for his own political gain. Callous, ruthless, uncaring.

He's a douchebag. We all know it.
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Old 02-14-2016, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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No one blamed FDR for the attack on Pearl Harbor did they? Who expected crazies to fly airplanes into skyscrapers?

Only Trump would use one of the worst days in our nation's history for his own political gain. Callous, ruthless, uncaring.

He's a douchebag. We all know it.
Some people DO blame Bush like Trump is. That said, they are wrong as the plans were known as early as the end of Clinton.
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Old 02-14-2016, 08:10 PM
 
Location: The Pacific Northwest
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Some people DO blame Bush like Trump is. That said, they are wrong as the plans were known as early as the end of Clinton.
Not many are blaming Bush for 9/11. Trump strayed a bit too far there. But for calling out Dubya on invading Iraq? Absolutely called for. Need I mention Halliburton? Dubya made a huge mess without regard to the future implications. It was to appease his moneyed interests, no different than the moneyed interests Jeb Bush is chained to. Trump was absolutely correct. But for Bush's invasion of Iraq, Iraq would not now be not only a hotbed, but the epicenter of terrorism. But he did, and it is. Why doesn't Jeb just admit it? It's disturbing. Rubio didn't either which is equally disturbing though equally unsurprising. And why is that? Oh right, because they're bought out. The real bosses which line their pockets won't allow such notions to be entertained.

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Old 02-14-2016, 08:14 PM
 
Location: South Minneapolis
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I am not the poster in question but alas I think the difference between Rockefellers and Democrats is the social programs part. I know some Rockefellers wanted merely reform of New Deal Programs (think Dewey) but I don't think many fully agreed with the Great Society of Johnson. Sadly we don't know this because the narrative of 1964 on the Republican side was blocking it entirely (sound familiar anyone?) Rockefellers are somewhere in between reform and get rid of.
I suggest the silence of the poster in question means he cannot define the difference between his political views and those of the Democrats, supporting my allegation that Trump, as his candidate of choice, is really not a Republican at all but a Democrat.

This presents the interesting possibility that in this election we could have a Democrat running as a Republican and a Socialist running as a Democrat.
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