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View Poll Results: Are you in favor of one of Trumps plans for Mexico to pay for the wall
YES 46 62.16%
NO 28 37.84%
Voters: 74. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-19-2016, 08:33 PM
 
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Trump forgets that most of the companies who have moved to Mexico sell in the global marketplace. In other words, they don't need to sell their goods to Americans and if they don't there will be no tariffs for the US government to collect. If they do sell to us then it's we, the consumers, who will be paying the tariffs in the form of higher prices.
Yep. This is what's wrong with everything Trump is saying. He wants to raise prices for Americans.
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Old 02-26-2016, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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Default "The Wall" is now a given. The only question is who pays for it.

People got all wound up because Vicente Fox uttered the F-word but the real news is something else. The real news is that the wall is now a given. Mexico has now accepted that if Trump is elected the wall WILL go up. The only question is who pays for it. Also, did you notice that neither Rubio nor Cruz felt that the comment was addressed to them? In fact, it wasn't because Mexico knows they are not serious about the border.
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Old 02-26-2016, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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No, the wall is not a "given."

An Engineer Explains Why Trump's Wall Is So Implausible
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Though I would never classify the construction of a 95-story building as simple, it is a feat that has been achieved many times before. There are at least 30 buildings that have reached a height of 95 stories or more, according to the obsessively detailed database at SkyscraperPage.com, and there are even more in the design phase or under construction.

On the other hand, human beings have built a 2,000-mile-long frontier wall exactly one time. Once. And it was accomplished only through a centuries-long building campaign that necessitated the forced labor of millions of Chinese peasants.
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Trump’s border wall, if built as he has described it, would be one of the largest civil works projects in the history of the country and would face an array of challenges not found when constructing 95-story skyscrapers.
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Old 02-26-2016, 09:44 AM
 
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No, the wall is not a "given."

An Engineer Explains Why Trump's Wall Is So Implausible
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An engineer is just like a politician. If you want to be convinced that something can't be done and will pay them for the opinion they will be happy to do so and take the money too.
Put it out in an open bid and see how many will say they can build it and you get plenty of response from contractors who actually do build things. It's not the Panama Canal.
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Old 02-26-2016, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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I thought it was hilarious when Trump called himself "the greatest builder". LOL
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Old 02-26-2016, 09:45 AM
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I wonder how much drug money is laundered through dc? I hope we get some kind of barrier.
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Old 02-26-2016, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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An engineer is just like a politician. If you want to be convinced that something can't be done and will pay them for the opinion they will be happy to do so and take the money too.
Put it out in an open bid and see how many will say they can build it and you get plenty of response from contractors who actually do build things. It's not the Panama Canal.
That's right, dismiss an expert in the field's viewpoint in favor of Trump, who hires experts to build things. According to the expert, Trump's wall would require twelve million, six hundred thousand cubic yards of concrete:

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In other words, this wall would contain over three times the amount of concrete used to build the Hoover Dam — a project that, unlike Trump’s wall, has qualitative, verifiable economic benefits.

Such a wall would be greater in volume than all six pyramids of the Giza Necropolis...
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Concrete, of course, requires reinforcing steel (or rebar). A reasonable estimate for the amount of rebar would be about 3 percent of the total wall size, resulting in a steel volume of 10,190,000 cubic feet, or about 5 billion pounds. We could melt down 4 of our Nimitz-class aircraft carriers and would probably be a few cruisers short of having enough steel.
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Old 02-26-2016, 09:49 AM
 
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The real news is that the wall is now a given.
Easy for someone who lives in PA to say. Come down to Texas and drive the border area - not just the major crossing areas but the length and breadth. If you can't take that long, just visit Big Bend National Park; it's a spectacular place and you can see miles of the border close up.
Big Bend Rio Grande River

Fly low over the Rio Grande River from Big Bend

Then come back here and tell us the wall is a given.
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Old 02-26-2016, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Easy for someone who lives in PA to say. Come down to Texas and drive the border area - not just the major crossing areas but the length and breadth. If you can't take that long, just visit Big Bend National Park; it's a spectacular place and you can see miles of the border close up.
Big Bend Rio Grande River

Then come back here and tell us the wall is a given.
Well, we already have a wall in Arizona, at least on the parts of the border that I visit.

What really bothers me about a bigger wall more than anything is the effect on wildlife. We are just beginning to see the return of jaguars in Arizona from Sonora, Mexico. Google, "jaguars santa rita mountains." If the wall is beefed up, it will prevent jaguars, Mexican wolves, etc. from migrating. People, of course, will still figure out a way through. They are immigrating illegally from Asia, for crying out loud. The wall won't do much.
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Old 02-26-2016, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Easy for someone who lives in PA to say. Come down to Texas and drive the border area - not just the major crossing areas but the length and breadth. If you can't take that long, just visit Big Bend National Park; it's a spectacular place and you can see miles of the border close up.
Big Bend Rio Grande River

Fly low over the Rio Grande River from Big Bend

Then come back here and tell us the wall is a given.

But, but.. it'll be all shiny with bright lights on top and Trump's name plastered in HUGE letters every 1000 feet. Beautiful!!
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