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Has the GOP ever addressed the cost of tuition? What about the unbalanced incarceration rates? What about minimal wage rates? I haven't heard much of the issues facing minorities other than immigration and stripping away the Health Care Reform Act. Dems seem to be addressing the issues facing the lower econonic demographics while the GOP candidates are insulting each other during debates and rallies.
Blame your GOP candidates if they're not capturing that demographic. And their frontrunner fails to disavow the KKK. Did you really need to ask the question of your OP?
I am referring to the massive outpouring of support for the Establishment by the black vote in the Democratic primaries. It is pretty much monolithic. Why?
Under Clinton and Obama, the lot of African-Americans continues to deteriorate whether it be wages, law enforcement, job opportunities, living standards, education opportunities, housing, racism etc. The same African-American leadership that brought us Clarence Thomas and other lackies for the Establishment are now rallying around the Queen of the Prom who is apparently not satisfied with the $153 million in bribes that she has already received from the Establishment.
So why do African-Americans still support a candidate who will clearly continue to work for Wall Street (the Clintons and Obama gave them $trillions), Big Pharma (Obamacare was a $trillion gift), and most of all herself? Baffles me.
It's laughable to think that in this election year, Republicans mysterious now care about black people's poverty and jobs, when they never show that they cared before. Their policies have been to cut programs that help black people and also support laws that disenfranchise black voters.
The Republican Party, which unmistakably supports the interests of the elite, can only win elections by fooling their base. Conservative billionaires don't want to pay higher taxes that will be used to help "those people." There objective is to keep taxes on the rich low and keep government out of their hair. But these people's numbers are small, so they need to fund propaganda groups like the Heritage Foundation to create false data and spread the message to middle-class conservatives, who are generally stupid enough to swallow their lies. Thus the pro-life conservative-leaning worker who listens to Rush Limbaugh will repeatedly vote for the party that is less likely to protect his safety, less likely to protect his job, and less likely to benefit him economically.
Voting for Trump means voting for a con man who has a lifetime history of working to benefit only himself; has a poor record when it comes to caring about anyone not named Trump; Trump's notions on foreign policy seem to boil down to the belief that America can bully everyone into doing its bidding and that engaging in diplomacy is a sign of weakness; his views on Muslims are scary, and if tried to be implemented, would be found to be unconstitutional.
Trump, while painting himself as a populist, in his 70 years on Earth, is not on record of doing anything for the masses. His tax-plan, while saying it raises taxes on the rich, massively cuts taxes on the rich. Trump is betting that he can con voters into believing his act is real.
There is no such establishment symmetry on the Democratic side. If you vote for Clinton, you are voting for a person who has a long history of fighting for the middle-class; fighting for women's rights; raising taxes on the wealthy (even if her taxes rose); fighting for health care, and is knowledgeable and respected abroad, etc. The policy objectives of the "Democratic establishment" is exactly the objectives of the American voters.
That's the difference.
Oh, when you throw out the word "bribes," know what the word means. For a payment to be a bribe, there must be quid pro quo. Unless you can show that someone paid X and then got Y, you are making a serious unsubstantiated charge. As an experienced Secretary of State, U.S. Senator and former first lady, Mrs. Clinton has a market for her speeches, which is totally legal. Unless you are willing to show wrongdoing, you don't know what you are talking about.
I'm not sure why black people would want to vote for someone who refuses to refute the KKK:
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Donald Trump on Sunday refused to condemn the Ku Klux Klan or disavow his recent endorsement by former Klansman David Duke.
The Republican front runner said he didn’t know enough about Duke to publicly denounce the former KKK leader, who told his followers earlier this week that voting for anyone but Trump would be “treason to your heritage.”
It's laughable to think that in this election year, Republicans mysterious now care about black people's poverty and jobs, when they never show that they cared before. Their policies have been to cut programs that help black people and also support laws that disenfranchise black voters.
The Republican Party, which unmistakably supports the interests of the elite, can only win elections by fooling their base. Conservative billionaires don't want to pay higher taxes that will be used to help "those people." There objective is to keep taxes on the rich low and keep government out of their hair. But these people's numbers are small, so they need to fund propaganda groups like the Heritage Foundation to create false data and spread the message to middle-class conservatives, who are generally stupid enough to swallow their lies. Thus the pro-life conservative-leaning worker who listens to Rush Limbaugh will repeatedly vote for the party that is less likely to protect his safety, less likely to protect his job, and less likely to benefit him economically.
Voting for Trump means voting for a con man who has a lifetime history of working to benefit only himself; has a poor record when it comes to caring about anyone not named Trump; Trump's notions on foreign policy seem to boil down to the belief that America can bully everyone into doing its bidding and that engaging in diplomacy is a sign of weakness; his views on Muslims are scary, and if tried to be implemented, would be found to be unconstitutional.
Trump, while painting himself as a populist, in his 70 years on Earth, is not on record of doing anything for the masses. His tax-plan, while saying it raises taxes on the rich, massively cuts taxes on the rich. Trump is betting that he can con voters into believing his act is real.
There is no such establishment symmetry on the Democratic side. If you vote for Clinton, you are voting for a person who has a long history of fighting for the middle-class; fighting for women's rights; raising taxes on the wealthy (even if her taxes rose); fighting for health care, and is knowledgeable and respected abroad, etc. The policy objectives of the "Democratic establishment" is exactly the objectives of the American voters.
That's the difference.
Oh, when you throw out the word "bribes," know what the word means. For a payment to be a bribe, there must be quid pro quo. Unless you can show that someone paid X and then got Y, you are making a serious unsubstantiated charge. As an experienced Secretary of State, U.S. Senator and former first lady, Mrs. Clinton has a market for her speeches, which is totally legal. Unless you are willing to show wrongdoing, you don't know what you are talking about.
The new Caste System created by both the Republican and Democratic Establishment is what I am talking to. While all people who are voting for the Establishment are complicit in what is happening, it is particularly perplexing that African-Americans want more of the same.
The policy objectives of the "Democratic establishment" is exactly the objectives of the American voters.
That's the difference.
Oh, when you throw out the word "bribes," know what the word means. For a payment to be a bribe, there must be quid pro quo. Unless you can show that someone paid X and then got Y, you are making a serious unsubstantiated charge. As an experienced Secretary of State, U.S. Senator and former first lady, Mrs. Clinton has a market for her speeches, which is totally legal. Unless you are willing to show wrongdoing, you don't know what you are talking about.
Its long established that the voters support social democratic/New Deal policies. The main problem is that the economic royalists dont support it, and they control the narrative and the money flooding to the candidates.
Clinton claims the GOP candidates are influenced by the money they receive from their wealthy donors. Do you agree or disagree?
Its long established that the voters support social democratic/New Deal policies. The main problem is that the economic royalists dont support it, and they control the narrative and the money flooding to the candidates.
Clinton claims the GOP candidates are influenced by the money they receive from their wealthy donors. Do you agree or disagree?
So you believe republicans are influenced by big money donors but not Clinton? War corporations, health care companies, big banks, they all just give it to her (and at the same time to her republican opponents) expecting no return on investment?
Under Clinton and Obama, the lot of African-Americans continues to deteriorate whether it be wages, law enforcement, job opportunities, living standards, education opportunities, housing, racism etc. The same African-American leadership that brought us Clarence Thomas and other lackies for the Establishment are now rallying around the Queen of the Prom who is apparently not satisfied with the $153 million in bribes that she has already received from the Establishment.
So why do African-Americans still support a candidate who will clearly continue to work for Wall Street (the Clintons and Obama gave them $trillions), Big Pharma (Obamacare was a $trillion gift), and most of all herself? Baffles me.
Because they, like many people, have figured out that Bernie cannot live up to his promises. He cannot tell anyone where ONE vote will come from to support his ideas. His ideas mean nothing if he cannot come through on any of them.
But you probably like the narrative that they are just all too dumb to vote 'in their own interest'. i.e. your candidate.
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Originally Posted by Sugah Ray
They won't vote for Bernie because they don't have any idea who he is.
They won't vote for Trump because they won't vote republican. Many republican radio hosts and their followers have stated for years that black people are only interested in abusing entitlements and that they are a bunch of criminals. Trump himself has retweeted a false black crime statistics post that a white supremacist wrote. He has also retweeted other messages from white supremacists.
Some examples are the previous posts from Waldo Kitty and Straight Shooter.
Yeah. I sure as heck wouldn't be voting for a basically white supremacist candidate if I were black.
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Originally Posted by richrf
No I am concerned. It does seem like African-Americans want more of the same. There question is why? Bernie Sanders is offering something different. Here certainly had gone after three Establishment which has made everyones lot much worse. But African-Americans have sent a very loud message that they want more of the same. Why?
Again, Bernie cannot deliver on any of his campaign promises. He is unable to give us ONE vote.
Again, Bernie cannot deliver on any of his campaign promises. He is unable to give us ONE vote.
That's a problem folks.
Most of America support Bernie's policies. Are we a democracy or not?
So you support Bernie's policies but think Bernie is too ambitious... Its a right wing myth that he makes "promises". He isnt promising anything but blood, sweat and tears. Why not vote for the candidate who represents what you want the nation to become, instead of someone further to the right with the same donors as her opponents? Just because the big money donor class who supports most of Congress doesnt like Bernie doesnt mean we should just throw our arms up in the air and give up. Like JFK said, we dont do this because it is easy, we do it because it is hard. If we didnt have aspirations, we would still be living in caves.
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