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Old 02-28-2016, 10:49 AM
 
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Where did all the Democrats go? Turnout in the 4 races held is far far below where it was in the last open election year of 2008. Doesn't matter if it is a Blue state or Red State. Are they failing to inspire the people?

Seems to me this is very bad news for Hillary Clinton if she can't even inspire her base to turn out for her.

What's a worse omen for the Mr. Trump fans?

NH 2016

Republican turnout = 284,120
Democratic turnout = 250,974 (-33,254)

1. Bernie Sanders = 151,584
2. Donald Trump = 100,406 (-51,172)
3. Hillary Clinton = 95,252 (-5,154)

SC 2016

Republican turnout = >730,000
Democratic turnout = 367,206 (-362,794)

1. Hillary Clinton = 271,514
2. Donald Trump = 239,851 (-31,767)

*Can't compare IA and NV because DNC does not announce the number of votes cast for each candidate in the caucus states.

Mr. Trump got blown away in SC and NH, despite record turnout for the Republicans. Despite getting absolutely crushed in NH by Sanders, Hillary was only 5% behind Trump (who, in turn, had 50% fewer votes than Sanders).

Yes, yes, it's a Democratic 2-way race versus Republican 3-way race. Doesn't account for the massive differential.

I wouldn't worry about it too much.

Mick
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Old 02-28-2016, 01:51 PM
 
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Must suck that, even with record turnout on their side, the Republican frontrunner gets massacred by the Democrats.

Mick
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Old 02-28-2016, 01:54 PM
 
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All the Democrats voted in the Republican primary.... for Trump of course. Don't worry. They'll be voting for Hillary in November.😂😂😂
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Old 02-28-2016, 01:58 PM
 
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Yes, yes, it's a Democratic 2-way race versus Republican 3-way race. Doesn't account for the massive differential.
Nice try but no cigar. You compare a 5 person race to that of a 2 person race. For your argument to make any sense at all, you also have to believe that Hillary will win SC. That won't be close at all.

I suppose you do this, rather than try to address the topic, because you don't like what the topic says.
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Old 02-28-2016, 02:05 PM
 
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2008 had absolutely record Democratic Primary turnout and blew everything out of the water. Turnout is down from the record highs if 2008, but is still better than other Primaries (such as 2004)
This. Plus the fact Hillary already has this election locked up with super delegates. Bernie never had a chance and most people know that so why bother going to the polls?
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Old 02-28-2016, 02:19 PM
 
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Then there is this....

Democratic Voter Turnout Is Down 26 Percent | The Daily Caller
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Old 02-28-2016, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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Default Terrible Turnout for Democratic Primaries

Democrats Should Be Very Nervous About Their Terrible Turnout Numbers

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But Democratic Party elites shouldn't be high-fiving each other. They should be very, very worried.

In primary after primary this cycle, Democratic voters just aren't showing up.

South Carolina's turnout numbers are not an anomaly. They're consistent with other primaries to date. Republicans are psyched. Democrats are demoralized.
Even though I am a registered Democrat, I becoming more and more of an Independent. Especially since this party no longer represents my views or ideological preferences whatsoever anymore.

Frankly, the Democratic party fully deserves this, especially with how they've thrown Bernie Sanders under the bus...
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Old 02-28-2016, 02:32 PM
 
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Nice try but no cigar. You compare a 5 person race to that of a 2 person race. For your argument to make any sense at all, you also have to believe that Hillary will win SC. That won't be close at all.

I suppose you do this, rather than try to address the topic, because you don't like what the topic says.
So if O'Malley, Chaffee and Webb were still in the race, then maybe, maybe Mr. Trump can come close to beating the Democrats?

Mick
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Old 02-28-2016, 02:36 PM
 
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Comparing numbers to 2008 might not be the best form of measurement seeing a number of those primary elections is where voters peaked. I wouldn't be too concerned with votes not being as high as 2008.
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Old 02-28-2016, 02:50 PM
 
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But one would expect that. There are for example, close to 700,000 more people living in SC now than in 2004.

It's the dramatic fall of the last 8 years that looks devastating to the Democrats.
Not so much. The drama of 2008 was all in the Democratic party's primaries. This time, it's all in the Republican primaries. No one said 2008 looked devastating to the Republicans, as I recall, even though McCain had the nomination all sewed up by March.

2016's biggest difference was the huge Republican field. 17 candidates was a massive number, the largest I ever saw, and now, a full year later, it is still being weeded out. Naturally, such an an unusual occurance will draw many more conservatives to the polls and caucuses than normal. The only thing that was more unusual was 2008 having the first serious black man as a contender for the Presidency.

President Obama wasn't the first of his race to run for the job. He was only the first to garner widespread support and interest. The 2016 Democratic primary has none of this kind of drama, even though Sanders' support is surprisingly strong and was unexpected.

2016 is simply a complete reversal of 2008, but neither party will have such an early outcome as the GOP's was in 2008. Both parties will come down to the conventions, I'm sure, before all the dust is settled.

The chance that either or both conventions could be brokered for the first time in over 50 years may be the most unusual event of all this year. Brokering was once the way all nominees were settled, but its been so long that there are very few voters or delegates around that have experience in the process now.

If brokering comes about, I expect it to be sloppy, dirty, and full of resentments coming in and going out. The November election may prove to have a very high, possibly record-breaking, turnout if this happens.
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