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And while Bernie has raised 45M during Feb, mostly by individual donations, she is going to go do a fundraiser with Goldman Sachs and the NYSE to keep up. How does that not play right into Bernie's narrative about her?
It is as plain as day where her bread is buttered, but many just refuse to see it. So ultimately she isn't concerned.
I agree. The Democrats are going to hand the Presidency to a demagogue by nominating a corrupt politician. It's the way things go at times like this.
The thing is that it was Clinton who repealed Glass-Steagall, passed NAFTA, and the largest transfer of wealth from the middle class to the top 1% was engineered during the Obama administration by the likes of Bernanke, Summers, and Geithner. The best con artists are the ones that are best at hiding the con. A vote for Clinton is a vote for a continuation of the con.
Rich, you're probably older than me (I was 16 when Clinton took office), so you remember these years as well as I do. Clinton did sign NAFTA into law, but he was continuing Reagan-Bush policy. There was discussion (and hope?) that he wouldn't sign it. Remember? He also went ahead with welfare reform and other plutocracy policies. He was trying to find a third-way compromise though. He was in damage control mode from the Reagan fall out. I don't see him a con man. I see him as a moderate Republican.
I'd like to vote for a true progressive, but America isn't there yet. Bernie's a start, but one man doesn't make a revolution. I hope these millennials are on to the real con and will push for a meaningful socialist voice in US politics. I have desperately wanted one since I was 19 or so. I hope some day lots and lots of politicians are working for ordinary Americans, not just Bernie. As it stands though, you can't put Bernie in the White House and expect anything to change. He'd be ineffective.
I disagree, rich. Yes, the Clintons are basically Republicans, and yes, they aren't going to move any mountains to make America a better place for working people like us, but Hillary will move the ball down the field a little for ordinary Americans. That's the best we can hope for now. If Bernie was building a large and substantial movement and was getting like minded people elected to local and federal offices across the country, then I'd be a fan. As it is, he'd be a useless and ineffective president. Hillary it is. I don't love her, but I back her. I also think people who feel the Bern should be focused on building a grassroots democratic socialist revolution from the ground up. Why not have a democratic socialist mayor, coungressman, senator, governor? Isn't it about time working people had a voice and some political influence again?
I agree with the above. Bernie's chances to acheive his very admirable, but lofty, goals would be much higher if he were helping to build a coalition of senators and congressmen running under a similar platform. Instead, he's treating this like a cult of personality. I've always wondered why Dems don't pull a Newt Gingrich, and establish a platform akin to the Contract w/America he had. It seems so simple, but instead they have the incompetence of the DNC... So unfortunate really.
In response to the OP. Hillary, Bernie, Obama. Looking at what that job does to people, I wouldn't want to inflict 4 more years of obstinate, racist Republican shenanigans on the President. He doesn't deserve it.
I can't rep you again, but I agree with you 100%. I support Bernie's message wholeheartedly and will vote for him on the 15th, but his message is not catching on in a big enough way to win--yet. But he has introduced the concept of democratic socialism in this cycle and has shown the country that that's not a scary word, and that the ideals behind it are good for every day Americans. I think he's moved the country forward in ways we might not overtly see in the moment but that will manifest in future candidates who won't be afraid to embrace those ideals.
I agree with the above. Bernie's chances to acheive his very admirable, but lofty, goals would be much higher if he were helping to build a coalition of senators and congressmen running under a similar platform. Instead, he's treating this like a cult of personality. I've always wondered why Dems don't pull a Newt Gingrich, and establish a platform akin to the Contract w/America he had. It seems so simple, but instead they have the incompetence of the DNC... So unfortunate really.
Absolutely wonderful idea, Augie. After this campaign, Bernie should go to work building a progressive coalition of like-minded congress men and women who refuse to take big donor money. Instead, they ask the ordinary people who they champion to fund their campaigns with small donations. Call it the 99 percent club. Refuse to take donations larger than $100 or from anyone who makes more than $100,000 a year. Tell people that if they are willing to invest in their leaders the way the plutocracy has, they will get policy proposals that favor them and not the rich for a change. Draft a new contract for America. Call it something snappy like "America Works" (House of Cards joke).
Rich, you're probably older than me (I was 16 when Clinton took office), so you remember these years as well as I do. Clinton did sign NAFTA into law, but he was continuing Reagan-Bush policy. There was discussion (and hope?) that he wouldn't sign it. Remember? He also went ahead with welfare reform and other plutocracy policies. He was trying to find a third-way compromise though. He was in damage control mode from the Reagan fall out. I don't see him a con man. I see him as a moderate Republican.
I'd like to vote for a true progressive, but America isn't there yet. Bernie's a start, but one man doesn't make a revolution. I hope these millennials are on to the real con and will push for a meaningful socialist voice in US politics. I have desperately wanted one since I was 19 or so. I hope some day lots and lots of politicians are working for ordinary Americans, not just Bernie. As it stands though, you can't put Bernie in the White House and expect anything to change. He'd be ineffective.
Clinton and Bush are part of the same Plutocracy.
NAFTA destroyed our economy and the repeal of Glass-Steagall have the Billionaire Class all the economic power they needed. Voting for Clinton is tantamount to voting for a perpetuation of the Oligarchy.
NAFTA destroyed our economy and the repeal of Glass-Steagall have the Billionaire Class all the economic power they needed. Voting for Clinton is tantamount to voting for a perpetuation of the Oligarchy.
Clinton and Bush are part of the mainstream. And yes, for decades and decades (as long as I've been alive), you can't be a mainstream politician without enacting policy that favors the plutocracy. Bernie is one of the very, very rare people who has done so. I applaud him. You can't turn the ship of state with one man though. We need more Bernies in the ranks before we appoint one to general. It's just not quite time for Bernie yet.
Sanders. But I'll go Hillary if Sanders doesn't make it.
Bernie isn't corrupted. But if my choice is between a corrupted politician and a corrupted fool, I'll take the politician.
At least they know how Congress works. Even corrupted politicians know they have to make their voters happy nation wide if they are the President. Hillary may have a dirty face, but she isn't filthy down to the bone yet, and she's preaching to a much larger choir than Rubio or Cruz. Donald Trump will be another four years of complete paralysis, only this time it will be from the top down.
Obama is all done. He did what he could, and he's ready for a rest. Even if he could run again, he would not.
Clinton and Bush are part of the mainstream. And yes, for decades and decades (as long as I've been alive), you can't be a mainstream politician without enacting policy that favors the plutocracy. Bernie is one of the very, very rare people who has done so. I applaud him. You can't turn the ship of state with one man though. We need more Bernies in the ranks before we appoint one to general. It's just not quite time for Bernie yet.
Well it looks like it is time for Trump then. If the Democrats again nominate a weasel, then the electorate will turn to a demagogue. Complacent Democrats are oblivious to the anger that is growing throughout the nation as King George was oblivious to what was happening in the Colonies.
Rich, you're probably older than me (I was 16 when Clinton took office), so you remember these years as well as I do. Clinton did sign NAFTA into law, but he was continuing Reagan-Bush policy. There was discussion (and hope?) that he wouldn't sign it. Remember? He also went ahead with welfare reform and other plutocracy policies. He was trying to find a third-way compromise though. He was in damage control mode from the Reagan fall out. I don't see him a con man. I see him as a moderate Republican.
I'd like to vote for a true progressive, but America isn't there yet. Bernie's a start, but one man doesn't make a revolution. I hope these millennials are on to the real con and will push for a meaningful socialist voice in US politics. I have desperately wanted one since I was 19 or so. I hope some day lots and lots of politicians are working for ordinary Americans, not just Bernie. As it stands though, you can't put Bernie in the White House and expect anything to change. He'd be ineffective.
He was very effective as a Congressman, and with the presidency he gets an even bigger platform to enact change. There are plenty of change a presidency can do even without Congress.
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