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Old 03-06-2016, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Pacific Northwest
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Hillary Clinton has long been a fan of NAFTA and TPP both hurt the middle class worker.

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45 times Clinton pushed the trade bill she now opposes - CNNPolitics.com

Glad to hear Bernie is talking about it.
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Old 03-06-2016, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Hillary Clinton has long been a fan of NAFTA and TPP both hurt the middle class worker.

Read this:

45 times Clinton pushed the trade bill she now opposes - CNNPolitics.com

Glad to hear Bernie is talking about it.
Hopefully here brings it up in the debate tonight in Flint. It would be unfortunate it you got through the primaries without this being a major issue. But if she did get through it for sure Trump will bring it up and she'll lose the Great Lakes States because of it. All of a sudden she v is against TPP after being such a big v advocate for it. She had absolutely zero integrity and empathy for the working families c she helped to impoverish.
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Old 03-06-2016, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Hillary Clinton has long been a fan of NAFTA and TPP both hurt the middle class worker.

Read this:

45 times Clinton pushed the trade bill she now opposes - CNNPolitics.com

Glad to hear Bernie is talking about it.
Thanks for posting. This deserves its own thread
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Old 03-06-2016, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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I've been waiting in dismay as Sanders had been giving Clinton a free pass on her duplicity. Finally, he is going after her and her hubby as one of the chief architects of the hollowing out of America's manufacturing industry calling her "Outsourcer-in-Chief" for her support of NAFTA and TPP.
Bill Clinton was not "one of the chief architects of the hollowing out of America's manufacturing industry". Congress gave Reagan the authority to negotiate free trade, it was pushed through by Bush, and passed the Senate and House with majority Republican support. Clinton signed the Republican bill,

Senate vote:
34 Yea - Republican (77% of Republicans)
27 Yea -Democrat (49% of Democrats)

10 Nay - Republican
28 Nay -Democrat

House vote:
132 Aye - Republican (75% of Republicans)
102 Aye -Democrat (40% of Democrats)

43 No - Republican
156 No -Democrat
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Old 03-06-2016, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Bill Clinton was not "one of the chief architects of the hollowing out of America's manufacturing industry". NAFTA originated with George H Bush and passed the Senate and Senate with majority Republican support. Clinton signed the Republican bill,

Senate vote:
34 Yea - Republican (77% of Republicans)
27 Yea -Democrat (49% of Democrats)

10 Nay - Republican
28 Nay -Democrat

House vote:
132 Aye - Republican (75% of Republicans)
102 Aye -Democrat (40% of Democrats)

43 No - Republican
156 No -Democrat
Poor Clinton was forced to sign the bill and poor Obama was forced to give a Wall Street $trillions in bail out money, and poor Clinton was forced to repeal Glass-Steagall, and poor Hilliary was forced to take $153 million in " speaking fees " for services rendered. Well I guess they are not so poor anymore. It's nice to know that the Billionaires remember their friends at Christmas time.
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Old 03-06-2016, 06:11 PM
 
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Bernie can start the ball rolling by cooking the Queen's goose. Trump can finish the job if Bernie doesn't get the nomination. If Trump wins, then all the Democrats who voted to nominate Marie Antoinette can blame themselves.
I just cannot imagine a Sanders supporter voting for Trump unless he's not really listening to these 2 men speak on the issues. Actually, Trump doesn't really say much when it comes to issues! Still, these 2 candidates have very different ideologies.
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Old 03-06-2016, 06:14 PM
 
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Poor Clinton was forced to sign the bill and poor Obama was forced to give a Wall Street $trillions in bail out money, and poor Clinton was forced to repeal Glass-Steagall, and poor Hilliary was forced to take $153 million in " speaking fees " for services rendered. Well I guess they are not so poor anymore. It's nice to know that the Billionaires remember their friends at Christmas time.
TARP was not passed under Obama. In fact, he wasn't even in office! The big bank bail-out was enacted by Bush.
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Old 03-06-2016, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I just cannot imagine a Sanders supporter voting for Trump unless he's not really listening to these men. I like Bernie and many of his ideas, although I do not think he has any chance of winning the nomination. Hillary is winning it fairly too. Forget about the Super PACs Sanders is always mentioning or the super-delegates his supporters whine about. She is winning the old fashioned way..by popular vote, although the party can choose whichever candidate it wants to be its nominee. A primary is not the same as a General Election. Anyway, Jeb Bush proved that money can't always buy voters. It's estimated he spent more than $130 million running in this campaign.

Just a note here..Trump not only made huge investments in foreign countries, specifically China, but a significant portion of his wealth comes from real estate in foreign countries. So it's total hypocrisy to say Trump is right for our country and use NAFTA to criticize Clinton, although she was not the POTUS when it was passed anyway.

As a matter of fact, she's gotten the endorsement of our country's largest teacher's Union (NEA) and the American Federation of Teachers (AFT) In addition, the American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE) endorsed Hillary. She also got an endorsement from the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) and the American Federation of State, County and Munipal Employees (AFSCME)

I don't think the United Auto Workers or the Teamsters have endorsed anyone yet. The United Auto Workers union is waiting until after the Michigan primary, but I'm pretty sure they won't be endorsing Donald Trump. Anyway, I'm pretty certain this is why Sanders is bringing up NAFTA just before the Michigan primary.
Hilliary represents just more of the same, slow, destruction of the middle-class, our economy, and with this the endless Middle East wars.

Trump represents a loose cannon firing nukes at his Billionaire buddies that he is fighting with.

I enjoy the whole political charade being duked out in the open where we can all see the Plutocracy for what it is. Clinton would be four more years of the clownish charade which millions see through by this time.

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Old 03-06-2016, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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As much as Trump has added a dose of crazy to the Republican primary, I really have to feel for the Dems. A pair of real losers for candidates. One perhaps the most corrupt, arrogant, narcissistic candidate in history with a record of utter failure. The other a ranting, raving old loon that has supported communism for 55+ years. Sad and embarrassing...both are bad enough for even Trump to beat in the general election. Hill makes Trump look honest in comparison, Sanders makes him look sane.
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Old 03-06-2016, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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TARP was not passed under Obama. In fact, he wasn't even in office! The big bank bail-out was enacted by Bush.
Obama, Bernanke, Summers, and Geithner got together in a back room and handed Wall Street $trillions. For this gracious deed for the Billionaire Class, Geithner, Bernanke, and Summers have been rewarded with cushy hedge fund jobs where no doubt they get to play tons of golf. Obama will be similarly rewarded.

Just follow the money.

Secrets and Lies of the Bailout | Rolling Stone
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