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Old 03-06-2016, 08:35 PM
 
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We definitely need to put more money into education!
Send the $ to The HILdebeast. Those circus tents she calls a wardrobe probably cost a pretty penny
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Old 03-06-2016, 08:54 PM
 
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But Clinton supported NAFTA, which is one of the principal reasons that caused auto industry jobs to be lost. She was wrong on the Iraq War, wrong on Bill Clinton's crime bill, she accepts money from for-profit prisons, and on and on. Clinton does not win on issues, unless you agree with her on all those things.
Look, it's obvious you don't like Hillary Clinton, so why argue? For every issue you mentioned, I can name bills Bernie Sanders voted for/against, such as his vote against the Brady Bill, his vote against Immigration Reform, etc. etc. Regarding the Crime Bill you mentioned, as she pointed out tonight, there were some negative results and some very positive results. For example:

"The 1994 bill was a watershed, marking the first comprehensive federal legislative package designed to end violence against women. It was also a triumph for women’s groups that lobbied hard to persuade Congress to legislate federal protections for women on the grounds that states were failing in their efforts to address this violence."

[URL="https://www.legalmomentum.org/history-vawa"]SOURCE[/URL]
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Old 03-06-2016, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I agree he speaks from the heart. However, he is wrong on many issues. If the auto industry had failed, for example, do you know how many jobs would have been lost? I'm not only talking about 4 million auto jobs, but small businesses like the people who install aftermarket products, i.e., audio systems and sunroofs.

Also, I would agree with Sanders if he said "When you're White you don't know what it's like to be Black." But he didn't say that at all. He indicated that there aren't any poor White people. Is he saying all Black people are poor and all White people are rich? If that's true, where are my millions? Oprah, please send me some money!
The auto industry would not have failed, some billionaires would have saved it.

Also, he did not mean only Black people are poor, it was just one of a few moments he didn't express himself clearly, these things happen.
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Old 03-06-2016, 09:26 PM
 
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The auto industry would not have failed, some billionaires would have saved it.

Also, he did not mean only Black people are poor, it was just one of a few moments he didn't express himself clearly, these things happen.
GM and Chrysler would have been liquidated and had their Marques and technology split between bidders, likely foreign car companies needing certain technologies (I.e. Hyundai wants to bring a truck here but can't get around the chicken tax and lacks the ability to manufacture body on frame vehicles in the US).

FCA is more indicative of what GM would have had to do.
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Old 03-06-2016, 09:33 PM
 
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The average voter doesn't know enough about nafta for it to matter very much. Good for Sanders to stick it to Hillary, but I don't think it matters that much.
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Old 03-06-2016, 09:35 PM
 
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Look, it's obvious you don't like Hillary Clinton, so why argue? For every issue you mentioned, I can name bills Bernie Sanders voted for/against, such as his vote against the Brady Bill, his vote against Immigration Reform, etc. etc. Regarding the Crime Bill you mentioned, as she pointed out tonight, there were some negative results and some very positive results. For example:

"The 1994 bill was a watershed, marking the first comprehensive federal legislative package designed to end violence against women. It was also a triumph for women’s groups that lobbied hard to persuade Congress to legislate federal protections for women on the grounds that states were failing in their efforts to address this violence."

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But the Clinton's were pushing the tough on crime parts as the positive ones, while this is exactly the part of the bill which Sanders was against:

This is his speech to try to convince Congress to wake up and realize that more jails and harsher punishments is not a solution:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTn3jUoMdVI
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Old 03-06-2016, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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The average voter doesn't know enough about nafta for it to matter very much. Good for Sanders to stick it to Hillary, but I don't think it matters that much.
I'd say in Michigan it sure does.
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Old 03-06-2016, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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I'd say in Michigan it sure does.
Yes but does it matter more than the auto bailout bill? I personally doubt it. We'll find out Tuesday, I guess!
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Old 03-06-2016, 09:41 PM
 
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The auto industry would not have failed, some billionaires would have saved it.

Also, he did not mean only Black people are poor, it was just one of a few moments he didn't express himself clearly, these things happen.
True, but isn't this a big hypocritical? Why does Bernie get a pass when he doesn't express himself clearly and she doesn't? People are now criticizing her for using the word "Super-Predator" in a speech 20 years ago when she was talking about drug dealers and gangs that were terrorizing neighborhoods.
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Old 03-06-2016, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Yes but does it matter more than the auto bailout bill? I personally doubt it. We'll find out Tuesday, I guess!
Yeah, she definitely scored points there.
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