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Old 03-07-2016, 08:51 PM
 
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Ahhhhh, I see. It's "caveman" mentality to disagree with the notion of paying for a 4 yr college education for everyone, gotcha. I guess you feel you are somehow "entitled" to that? Are you opposed to the notion of actually putting YOURSELF thru school? How about my caveman solution of get off your lazy arse and work 3 jobs to put yourself thru school and YOU pay for it
You are spouting arguments which were used against public education in general. You simply assume that you dont benefit from a better educated population which is blatantly false. So yes, certain public goods should be paid for so we can harness the talents of all our children, not just reserve college for the people with well-off parents.

College USED to be affordable in America. It was free in California until the 80s and annual tuition costs were 10% of what it is today on average in the 60s. Today, a college degree is the equivalent of a high school degree when you grew up 50 years ago. Times have changed.
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Old 03-07-2016, 08:53 PM
 
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She is such a treacherous & phony pos.

And those, along with being a poorly-aging cuckquean, are Hillary's good points.
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Old 03-07-2016, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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You are spouting arguments which were used against public education in general. You simply assume that you dont benefit from a better educated population which is blatantly false. So yes, certain public goods should be paid for so we can harness the talents of all our children, not just reserve college for the people with well-off parents.

College USED to be affordable in America. It was free in California until the 80s and annual tuition costs were 10% of what it is today on average in the 60s. Today, a college degree is the equivalent of a high school degree when you grew up 50 years ago. Times have changed.
Exactly.

In the 1960s you could work a summer job and pay your college tuition.

Now tuition, room, and board is like $40,000 per year at a lot of schools.

And people use 1950s era canards like "Get a job" as if that solves the problem.
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Old 03-07-2016, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Texas
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That's why he ran, genius - to move Clinton and the Democratic Party to the left.

This is how politics function. You people have this naive, simplistic fantasy that the ideal politician is some sort of perfectly principled utopian individual. And that's a fairy tale. Political parties are responsive to their constituents. The Sanders candidacy was always designed to bring his faction of supporters to the fore, thereby forcing Clinton - and the epicenter of the party - leftward.

This country would be a lot better off if people started understanding that politics is nuts and bolts sausage-making, not the fantasy-world of political superheroes.
Bernie's running to win. He has never suggested otherwise.

Your view on this particular matter is conjecture
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Old 03-07-2016, 08:56 PM
 
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You are spouting arguments which were used against public education in general. You simply assume that you dont benefit from a better educated population which is blatantly false. So yes, certain public goods should be paid for so we can harness the talents of all our children, not just reserve college for the people with well-off parents.

College USED to be affordable in America. It was free in California until the 80s and annual tuition costs were 10% of what it is today on average in the 60s. Today, a college degree is the equivalent of a high school degree when you grew up 50 years ago. Times have changed.
Plenty of grants and loans available....go work your arse off to put yourself thru school. Military has plenty of options as well if you want to further your education....it's called SACRIFICING
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Old 03-07-2016, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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She is such a treacherous & phony pos.
Exactly... so it really doesn't matter what she says about anything because it very well might be a lie and more than likely is!
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Old 03-07-2016, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Texas
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This is not why...It's because she felt cornered.

She has been saying all along she does not support govt. funded college--




Hillary Clinton to roll out $350 billion college plan - CNNPolitics.com
This article is from last August? How far back you want to go?
I must be honest. I haven't seen that.

But I do also remember her saying she did not support Bernie's idea.

Thank you for posting. She hasn't spoken of this in so long, and she seemed opposed to Bernie's idea.

So thank you, and sorry for getting everyone riled up.
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Old 03-07-2016, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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We should revamp high school curiculum so that most students could graduate with general career-ready skills. College should be reserved for specialized degrees that actually require extensive knowledge. College courses should also not duplicate high school courses. I had to take courses in college that were actually easier than the same courses I took in high school. It's a scam. Only about half the college courses I took were specific to my career field.
You do have a very valid point here.


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Plenty of grants and loans available....go work your arse off to put yourself thru school. Military has plenty of options as well if you want to further your education....it's called SACRIFICING

Not the best advice to give someone, considering our foreign policy has been hijacked by war-profiteers pushing for endless war and the oil industry/banks ensuring the proliferation of the petrodollar. I would never allow my children to join the military today, only to be used and abused by Puppet Politicians like Hillary. They should be HOME protecting OUR borders, not the arbitrary borders in the Middle East.
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Old 03-07-2016, 09:06 PM
 
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Actually Hillary had the plan for awhile. Not 100% free. Kind of like her plan Bernie and them share similiar ideas. Only issue is Bernie pulls the money from the 1%.

Anyways:
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/brief...llege-compact/
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Old 03-07-2016, 09:07 PM
 
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Plenty of grants and loans available....go work your arse off to put yourself thru school. Military has plenty of options as well if you want to further your education....it's called SACRIFICING
People like you are against both the minimum wage, social security and public education in general. The end result of your dream society is a banana republic similar to what we see in Latin America. Not good for the country to be able to compete with the world. A tiny super-rich elite, controlling all aspects of life, buying politicians, while people like yourself and the rest of the 99.9% of the population suffer the consequences. I dont believe for a second that you would thrive in such a society and you have no idea how your children would do anyway, especially if they are born with disabilities. Its a luck of the draw. You are not responsible for the IQ you are born with. The society you promote is a typical society which attracts sociopaths, but you cant choose to be a sociopath either. You are either born a sociopath or not.
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