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Old 03-08-2016, 10:51 AM
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There are riots in the streets of Sweden over jobs? The workforce participation rate in Sweden is currently higher than the US, and the UK is slightly lower.

Obamacare/Romneycare is a state mandate to buy private health insurance, not single payer.

Alarmist hyperbole much? Look, if you just don't like the idea of single payer health care because it "ain't Ameri-cun"..just say it.
"Police attacked and cars torched in Stockholm suburbs as unrest sparked by long-term youth unemployment and poverty spreads"

Swedish riots rage for fourth night | World news | The Guardian

How many unemployment riots do you see in the U.S.?

 
Old 03-08-2016, 10:52 AM
 
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I don't dismiss it because of the word attached to it. I dismiss it because its not being given the opportunity to flourish in a free market/capitalist system, and it seems that people want to implement the socialist system with it which we know has a history of failure attached to it.
Probably some people do, but I bet a lot of people are pretty happy with our system and just want to see single-payer added to it. That's how I feel. I mean, I'm probably pretty far to the left compared to a lot of people posting here, but I watch the Super Bowl, eat hamburgers, things like that. There are a lot of good things about America. To be completely honest, though, I would like to see the banks taxed and free education too. I think it benefits everybody.
 
Old 03-08-2016, 10:58 AM
 
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Probably some people do, but I bet a lot of people are pretty happy with our system and just want to see single-payer added to it. That's how I feel. I mean, I'm probably pretty far to the left compared to a lot of people posting here, but I watch the Super Bowl, eat hamburgers, things like that. There are a lot of good things about America. To be completely honest, though, I would like to see the banks taxed and free education too. I think it benefits everybody.
People that are happy with our system either haven't needed to use the medial system or already benefit from significant government assistance. I cant honestly believe someone would be happy with a consumer service (health care) where you cant even get a straight answer on what it will cost before you buy it.

The banks aren't taxed today?

"Free" education isn't possible. Someone has to pay for it and it likely means at a minimum that tax payers are included in that. So all of the students and ex-students who have already paid for or are currently paying for student loans are now ALSO going to pay for education for everyone else too? That hardly seems fair.

Also, what about all of the money thats already spoken for like money for teacher and facility pensions at schools, or sunk costs like building and campus upgrades and debt that the schools have on their books. That money is spoken for, you cant just wipe it out, which is what free tuition kind of implies since tuition is currently relied on for paying for those things.
 
Old 03-08-2016, 10:59 AM
 
Location: north central Ohio
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Guess Garry doesn't know the difference between social democracy, socialism, and communism.....


EXACTLY, what a DUNCE, as are most of those afraid of Bernie!
 
Old 03-08-2016, 11:02 AM
 
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"Police attacked and cars torched in Stockholm suburbs as unrest sparked by long-term youth unemployment and poverty spreads"

Swedish riots rage for fourth night | World news | The Guardian

How many unemployment riots do you see in the U.S.?

Did you read who was doing the rioting?
 
Old 03-08-2016, 11:05 AM
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Did you read who was doing the rioting?
Did you read what the Guardian said was the cause? Did you miss "youth unemployment"?

I'll ask you again: How many unemployment riots have you seen in the U.S. in your lifetime? Before the socialism acknowledged now by Newsweek, _"We Are All Socialists Now"_.
 
Old 03-08-2016, 11:07 AM
 
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You basically just make disability etc. MUCH harder to get and if your legs get crushed (or like my sibling sees daily....you are faking a back injury) you STILL have to work...they just find something you can do.

Kinda like the idiots that think you get "free college" in Europe. Um no...the top kids get free college...paid for by YOU. Makes it harder to escape social stratification ironically.
Actually, the US lags behind most of the developed world when it comes to intergenerational social mobility. You are far less likely to move above your parent's station in the US than in Denmark, Australia, Germany, and even Spain.

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And when I called you on your apparent insistence that "continuing education" shouldn't be considered suspect, you replied:

"Not really. We socialize K-12 all without much of the demonization."

In how many complete circles do you want to argue? What constitutes "continuing education" in your book? How far is "continuing education"? The Soviets had continuing education too.

Now you want use "continued education." Good. I gave you an example upthread of some Western Washington U. students' idea of it.
I have a sneaking suspicion that the public goods and services that you consider to be "communists" are the things that you don't like or use.
 
Old 03-08-2016, 11:08 AM
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Actually, the US lags behind most of the developed world when it comes to intergenerational social mobility. You are far less likely to move above your parent's station in the US than in Denmark, Australia, Germany, and even Spain.
That must be the reason why so many of them overstay their student visas in the U.S. to find work.

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I have a sneaking suspicion that the public goods and services that you consider to be "communists" are the things that you don't like or use.
There are ever more variety of those top-down, command economy services that cater to the whim of its 'People'--expecting them to be funded in some way by a proletariat increasingly unable to find work under besieged private employers.
 
Old 03-08-2016, 11:09 AM
 
Location: north central Ohio
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Actually, the US lags behind most of the developed world when it comes to intergenerational social mobility. You are far less likely to move above your parent's station in the US than in Denmark, Australia, Germany, and even Spain.


Exactly!
 
Old 03-08-2016, 11:16 AM
 
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That must be the reason why so many of them overstay their student visas in the U.S. to find work.


There are ever more variety of those top-down, command economy services that cater to the whims of its 'People' expecting them to be funded in some way by a proletariat increasingly unable to find work under besieged private employers.
Yes, because working manual labor as an illegal immigrant is more likely to pull one out of poverty than being a engineer in Denmark.
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