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Old 03-12-2016, 08:44 PM
 
Location: NJ
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i like a lot of things about trump. i think he is the best candidate for the middle class. i think he is probably not the best candidate to benefit me. a lot of the trump bashing is clearly bs. people trying to attach a label to him like "racist" because they hope it will stop his candidacy. he hasnt shown himself to be a racist. i think he is probably the best candidate for the country. i also see a potential downside risk of him causing some change for the worse. most other candidates i view as status quo candidates. maintaining the status quo is probably best for me. so hillary, rubio, kasich, probably cruz would probably be best for me personally. bernie is a socialist and socialism doesnt work. i think bernie and trump are probably to most genuine in terms of being in it for the country as opposed to their own corrupt benefit like the others.

im not going to vote for someone that is willing to send American soldiers on the ground in the middle east to fight isis. i just wont give my consent to that anymore. `

 
Old 03-12-2016, 09:36 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Marc Paolella View Post
I couldn't agree more. I would vote for anyone, or even any living thing, including several plant species, over the Vapid Biddy.

And anyone who doesn't think the Vapid Biddy is in some trouble is just not paying attention. When an epithelially challenged, encrusted, 1050 year old disheveled malodorous Trotskyite fossil like Bernie Sanders can mount a challenge to VBid, and do it by appealing mostly to brain-dead millennials, then someone better consider canceling the monogrammed towels that she pre-ordered to make Bill's guests uncomfortable as they step out of the shower in the Lincoln Bathroom.
You, as well as many others, are talking about voting against a candidate. You are just doing it in a more personal manner. But your issue with a female president doesn't surprise me at all.

How about talking about candidates who deserve your vote? I don't think enough people actually have a clue, possibly because at this point, nobody is that candidate.
 
Old 03-12-2016, 09:42 PM
 
Location: NJ
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You, as well as many others, are talking about voting against a candidate. You are just doing it in a more personal manner. But your issue with a female president doesn't surprise me at all.

How about talking about candidates who deserve your vote? I don't think enough people actually have a clue, possibly because at this point, nobody is that candidate.
i dont mind hillary because i see her as maintaining the status quo. yes, she is very corrupt. but at the end of the day, her corruptness isnt likely to hurt me.

id like to vote for someone like ron paul or his son. though i also probably wouldnt really benefit from a libertarian president, so its probably not the best choice for me.
 
Old 03-12-2016, 10:01 PM
 
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I hesitate jump in here as I am pretty undecided. I happen to be female, well educated, employed........ and I really liked Dr Ben Carson. I also, believe it or not, like Bernie.
I did like Rubio but he did himself in. I still kind of like Kasich. I find Cruz, although pretty well spoken and intelligent to have negative charisma. As far as Trump goes, I like him. I am put off with the negativity but to be honest, I think he is the reaction to Obama and he makes sense mostly .
As far as the violence at his rallies- at least the garbage yesterday - that was a set up. Should he or someone else set the same garbage up at Hillary's meager gatherings?
I can tell you that pretty much anyone against Hillary, Hillary would not get my vote.
I am glad you posted, Mayvenne. I can forgive Rubio
much easier than I can deal with risks Cruz poses in some of his streamlining of Depts and other. Rubio admitted he was wrong to sink to the lower level. No one has had the Super PACs thrown at them like him. Jeb's alone were > $100000000. That's a hundred million if the zeros came out wrong. Ted's people keep sending, calling or otherwise informing, the voters backing the candidate they see as the biggest threat, wrong information.

What I really wanted to write is no Hillary vote from me. I don't know if I could live with myself given some core principles Trump does not honor.

MSR
 
Old 03-12-2016, 10:05 PM
 
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Hi, how are you? I'll try to answer my as much as I can.

Rubio's green cards, and his history in the gang of 8 and pathway to citizenship is a problem, for all the reasons I stated above. A green card is a pathway to citizenship.

And it doesn't stop the influx of even more illegal immigrants over the border. In fact, it encourages it. Not once, but twice will we have said to poor Mexicans, "Come to America illegally. You will get free education for your children, free healthcare, we will give you drivers licenses, and we will do nothing to send you back. You can live a much nicer life here, and eventually, we will reward you with citizenship."

If I was a poor Mexican, I would come here illegally too. Nothing to lose and everything to gain.

I have a problem with a contested convention because they are telling the voters that their votes don't matter. I think whichever candidate gets the most votes should be the candidate. Otherwise it cheapens our democracy. It makes us seem like some banana republic that has fake elections to appease the masses, while the ruling class is in some back room stuffing ballot boxes. I know the rules allow it, but let's not forget who makes the rules. The very same people who are choosing our candidate for us instead of allowing us to choose our own candidate.

All the stuff you mentioned surrounding Trump and his campaign? I don't know. It is a double edged sword. Of course I wish he was more toned down, but at the same time, if he was more toned down, he probably wouldn't even be an option this late in the game. A lot of the policy stuff I would expect from anyone who is not a career politician. Like any good CEO, I'm sure he will take the advice of the experts and delegate appropriately. I think he could be a great president, and if not, our country has survived worse. I don't like the mysogyny, but I don't think he is, in the truest sense of the word. I think he is a mysogynist like Clinton was a mysogynist. Or like JFK was a mysogynist. Though hopefully he doesn't have affairs like those guys did. But they were two of our better presidents in spite of it.

He is down against Hillary now. A year ago his numbers were at the very bottom if the list of 17 candidates. Back then, if you said he was going to be the front runner in the Republican Party, people would have laughed you out of the room. He has come a much farther distance between then and now than he has to go to have numbers higher than Hillary 9 months from now.
Thanks for your answer. I don't have time to respond now....as your points deserve thought. But I will later.

MSR
 
Old 03-12-2016, 10:51 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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I agree that Trump is the strongest on illegal immigration(although I support "legalization" through work visas w/o greencards/citizenship instead of the Gestapo-like crackdowns that he seems to be advocating); however, he's far too mercurial, vague, divisive, crude, ignorant and flamboyant for me. I get how people are angry and frustrated with politics as usual and that they see Trump as the one who can upend the system, but the thought of this guy having the ability to send U.S. service men and women into harms way makes my stomach churn.
 
Old 03-13-2016, 01:15 AM
 
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You, as well as many others, are talking about voting against a candidate. You are just doing it in a more personal manner. But your issue with a female president doesn't surprise me at all.

How about talking about candidates who deserve your vote? I don't think enough people actually have a clue, possibly because at this point, nobody is that candidate.

I don't really classify Hillary Clinton as a female. She is certainly not feminine. She is a strident and dissonant bugle that assaults the rest of the orchestra. She has no known core principles, she has no known core philosophy, she is completely pragmatic, and the fact that anybody would vote for her defies logic, common sense, and any form of love for this country and what it stands for at its best. She was the scorned wife of a horrible president who rivals Carter for incompetence, and that's about it. By what stretched imagination does that qualify this vacuous absence of character and intellect to be a candidate for Leader of the Free World and Commander-in-Chief of the United States Military? It's utterly, shamefully, and tormentingly preposterous, ludicrous, and vulgar beyond words.

She is a Vapid Biddy with no qualifications to be President. She was a terrible carpetbagger of a senator, and as Secretary of State, a job given to her for political reasons, not from qualifications or disposition, she performed miserably and quite possibly criminally. Her speeches and public statements are devoid of philosophy or principle, and are littered with hypocrisy, hyperbole, and hackneyed collectivist pablum.

And again, the fact that she has lost several big contests to a Communist mediocrity like Bernie Sanders tells me that she is very vulnerable and can easily be beaten by any of the Republicans left in the race. Not that their all that much better, but they are all better in most respects. And the Vapid Biddy is such a total loss of a concept that anyone else MUST be voted for over her if one has any logic, intellect, or even street sense.
 
Old 03-13-2016, 04:59 AM
 
Location: 78745
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Among all the candidates, Trump definitely favors the whites more.
I agree and they make it sound like it's a bad thing. Where would this country be in this day and age if not for white males? As far back as I can remember, white males get a bad rap, from just about everybody, like they are bad people. White males are usually depicted in the media as self-serving, evil, racist bigots and generally, just big dummies. Never mind the fact it was white males who Founded this great country and made it the richest and most prosperous country in the history of the world.
 
Old 03-13-2016, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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You are not nervous that the truth is out, are you?
The political parties and leftist media are not running things this time.
The game has changed.
 
Old 03-13-2016, 06:34 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Why is this thread still here?
You are not nervous that the truth is out, are you?
The political parties and the leftist media are not running things this time.
The game has changed.
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