Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Should Michigan and Florida delegates be seated?
If so, should they rehale a primary or should the DNC take the delegates as they are...?
__________________________
Obama believe that Hillary Clinton win of Michigan and Florida was more of a beauty contest. He said if Michigan and Florida delegates ( or people voices heard ) ares to be seated... these two states should rehale a primary.
My opinion: I dont know if the two states should rehale a primary... on the other hand it will be good due to the the state of Michigan would get more attention from the public. Although if Obama wasnting trying to go over heads and hills... taking his name off the the Michigan ballot ( he didnt do so with Florida, and Florida broke the same rule ) it would be alot easier in deciding what delegate goes where. So now he just may find himself in a hole from a leap he took trying to please Iowa and New Hampshire. ( I hear some say if he didnt take his name off the Michigan ballot, he would have not won Iowa, and his votes in New Hampshire wouldnt have been that great. Leading to him dropping out of the race.)
At the moment I dont know if Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama should win the Democratic race.
I think the Florida/Michigan situation is a total mess. It seems to me that the DNC will have to seat the delegates from those states otherwise they risk alienating loyal and active (i.e., primary voting) democrats who they will need for support (and donations) come the general election. Florida in particular is such a critical swing state that the dems cannot allow ANYONE to feel disenfranchised with the party or the nomination process. The thing is that Obama really gets screwed if those delegates are counted. Particularly in Michigan where he followed the rules to a T and he wasn't even on the ballot. The way the primary voting is shaping up, I think there is a strong chance that Obama would beat Clinton in Michigan right now if both their names were on the ballot.
I live in Florida and have spoken to several people who said they didn't vote because they thought their vote "wouldn't count". Also, in that there was no campaigning here, I think that voters would have been more informed if they had heard more from the candidates. If Michigan and Florida votes are to be included, they really need to somehow have a repeat primary election or even caucuses.
Although if Obama and Clinton were to redo a primary in Michigan... I'm not sure who would win because many people I ran into haven't made their mind up yet. Than others say Hillary Clinton because they are not sure if Obama is ready to be the president of the United States.
I keep hearing that both states will be given some kind of arrangement. Obviously, those delegates will have to considered at the convention. The two most common proposals seem to be either a state caucus or else apportioning the delegates according to each cnadidate's percentage of the vote at the time of the convention.
You could never make it fair. If the delegates are seated, how many would Obama get? In Michigan, 30% voted for Not Hillary. Did they mean Obama? Would more people have voted for Obama in Michigan if he was on the ballot?
If you re-vote, do you allow republicans or independents who voted republicans to vote? What if independents voted Republican because Obama was not on the ballot. What about republicans who would have decided to vote as democrats to keep Hillary out if the election actually counted? Do you allow people who did not vote before to vote this time? Logistically, I am not sure that a re-vote is possible unless you allow everyone in the state to vote. Then all of the republicans will vote for Obama and he will get an unfair edge.
Florida should stand as is. Period. Both Candidates were on the ballot and the people voted. In Michigan, Obama unwisely took his name off the ballot for no apparent reason. I would not nescessarily be opposed to a new primary being held there if nescessary.
However, even if one is held, I'm betting that Michiganites won't be real thrilled that Obama chose to turn his back on them and remove his name from the ballot.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.