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Looks like barring a brokered convention, Hillary and Trump have wrapped up the nominations. As a libertarian, there really is no one speaking for me and a limited, constitutional government. I will probably vote for Trump for reasons I don't want to get into, but let us examine the choice America has here.
HILLARY CLINTON
Hate to tell you "liberals" and "progressives," but Donal Trump is manifestly to the left of Hillary Clinton. It is almost a given that politicians change postitions, but the Hillary Clinton you think you are voting for does not exist. She is as mythical as Kasier Sose. She was a Goldwater girl before she was a liberal. She was against gay marraige before it became popular, and, while in the Senate, spoke passionately about traditional marraige as the "bedrock" of Western civilzation. She voted to go to Iraq on the same intelligence as George Bush, and spoke of ground troops returning to the Middle East only two years ago. Her husband and co-president worked dilligently for free trade, welfare reform, and helped invent the big incarceration she now has the nerve to pretend that she is against. Let's not even go into her Wall Street ties.
DONALD TRUMP
Was for Gay Marraige when Hillary was against it. Was against Iraq when Hillary voted for it. Is a staunch protectionsist in contrast the Clintons, who singed NAFTA and other free trade agreements. He was for universal health care before Mitt Romeny invented Obamcare. He is mostly as dyed in the wool a leftist as they come--except that he is agaisnt the prime left wing tenet of illegal immigration. Because he believes that our laws should be enforced, liberals hate him even though he is far more genuinely a lefty than Hillary.
These are just facts. Trump makes no effort to hide who he is. Hillary can't as it is a matter of public record. Trump is a lefty who made the ovbious connection between illegal immigration and job loss, and Clinton is whatever she needs to be at the moment to get elected.
To summarize. If you are a:
SOCIALIST: Bernie is gone but Trump is still a pretty good bet for you.
LIBERAL: Trump is your guy!
CONSERVATIVE- Go home. Unless they cheat Trump at the convention, there is no one for you.
LIBERTARIAN- No one even on the board speaking for you.
YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU BELIEVE- Clinton is your lady!
Since America has lost its collective mind, Clinton is the perfect candidate for the times and will certainly win.
^In my opinion, people's positions should evolve and change over decades as the social landscape changes. Yes a liberal would really want DJT for his pro life, anti global warming, no path to citizenship, Great Wall of Mexico values. Not. There isn't much reality in what you write.
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This election has really illuminated how low American culture has sunk.
Good leaders can't get elected. Our government and our culture is totally broken.
We are addicted to junk-food entertainment and news, victimizing everything, gossip mongering, and hyper-partisan food fights instead of thoughtful debate and decision making.
America has sunk to the bottom of the industrialized world in education, and this election is certainly indicative of that.
This election has really illuminated how low American culture has sunk.
Good leaders can't get elected. Our government and our culture is totally broken.
We are addicted to junk-food entertainment and news, victimizing everything, gossip mongering, and hyper-partisan food fights instead of thoughtful debate and decision making.
America has sunk to the bottom of the industrialized world in education, and this election is certainly indicative of that.
Sadly that's true. When you see the rise of Trump, Sanders and Clinton, you appreciate just how bad our education system really is.
so what and tough hop to all you "intellectuals" (that's a laugh), I'll vote for whomever I feel like and for whatever reasons and my vote will count the same as yours. my main reason to vote for Hillary is to save taxpayer dollars on not having to redo white house stationary and re-monogram the china and bath-robes that are probably already in the basement cupboards waiting to be brought back upstairs.
Looks like barring a brokered convention, Hillary and Trump have wrapped up the nominations. As a libertarian, there really is no one speaking for me and a limited, constitutional government. I will probably vote for Trump for reasons I don't want to get into, but let us examine the choice America has here.
HILLARY CLINTON
Hate to tell you "liberals" and "progressives," but Donal Trump is manifestly to the left of Hillary Clinton. It is almost a given that politicians change postitions, but the Hillary Clinton you think you are voting for does not exist. She is as mythical as Kasier Sose. She was a Goldwater girl before she was a liberal. She was against gay marraige before it became popular, and, while in the Senate, spoke passionately about traditional marraige as the "bedrock" of Western civilzation. She voted to go to Iraq on the same intelligence as George Bush, and spoke of ground troops returning to the Middle East only two years ago. Her husband and co-president worked dilligently for free trade, welfare reform, and helped invent the big incarceration she now has the nerve to pretend that she is against. Let's not even go into her Wall Street ties.
DONALD TRUMP
Was for Gay Marraige when Hillary was against it. Was against Iraq when Hillary voted for it. Is a staunch protectionsist in contrast the Clintons, who singed NAFTA and other free trade agreements. He was for universal health care before Mitt Romeny invented Obamcare. He is mostly as dyed in the wool a leftist as they come--except that he is agaisnt the prime left wing tenet of illegal immigration. Because he believes that our laws should be enforced, liberals hate him even though he is far more genuinely a lefty than Hillary.
These are just facts. Trump makes no effort to hide who he is. Hillary can't as it is a matter of public record. Trump is a lefty who made the ovbious connection between illegal immigration and job loss, and Clinton is whatever she needs to be at the moment to get elected.
To summarize. If you are a:
SOCIALIST: Bernie is gone but Trump is still a pretty good bet for you.
LIBERAL: Trump is your guy!
CONSERVATIVE- Go home. Unless they cheat Trump at the convention, there is no one for you.
LIBERTARIAN- No one even on the board speaking for you.
YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU BELIEVE- Clinton is your lady!
Since America has lost its collective mind, Clinton is the perfect candidate for the times and will certainly win.
First, Trump has been historically been on both sides of nearly every issue, so you can't say that he's a liberal or a conservative. He was for invading Iraq and against it; for gay marriage and against it; he was on both sides of the health care issue.
Second, to point to Clinton's bout with being for Goldwater in 1964 hardly has anything to do with her positions as a mature woman. I was for a conservative as a young man in college but I am not know. Nobody can seriously hang that bell around my neck.
Third, illegal immigration isn't taking away native jobs -- unless those jobs Americans are losing are farm pickers, lawn mowing, meat packing and dish washing.
The only thing that we NOW have to go on to judge Trump's positions is what he has recently said and proposed. His inflammatory remarks against ethnic groups and the fact that he's attracting white supremacists and anti-Semites to his campaign is worrisome, at the least. His tax-plan is like all the other GOP tax-plans, they slash rates on the rich and balloon the debt. His health plan throws million off their insurance.
I think that you are grasping for straws trying to pitch Trump to liberal Democrats.
The fact remains that both Bernie and Clinton have plans that actually help working people and history of helping working people.
SOCIALIST: Bernie is gone but Trump is still a pretty good bet for you.
LIBERAL: Trump is your guy!
CONSERVATIVE- Go home. Unless they cheat Trump at the convention, there is no one for you.
LIBERTARIAN- No one even on the board speaking for you.
YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU BELIEVE- Clinton is your lady!
Since America has lost its collective mind, Clinton is the perfect candidate for the times and will certainly win.
Bernie & Trump supporters share this issue. -> System is rigged for 1% and politicians are paid off by Wall Street to keep it that way.
But they differ on how to solve it.
Bernie
I have a penny, you have a penny, he has a penny, and 1% has 97 pennies. Now we all have 20 cents. Government gets 20 cents.
Trump
You have a penny, he has a penny, and I have 97 pennies. Now you and he have way to earn more pennies. I keep mine. Government gets nothing.
Sadly that's true. When you see the rise of Trump, Sanders and Clinton, you appreciate just how bad our education system really is.
It's not bad. It has done a brilliant job of indoctrinating the youth of America with progressive ideology and teaching children WHAT to think, instead of HOW to think.
It's not bad. It has done a brilliant job of indoctrinating the youth of America with progressive ideology and teaching children WHAT to think, instead of HOW to think.
Hate to tell you "liberals" and "progressives," but Donal Trump is manifestly to the left of Hillary Clinton. It is almost a given that politicians change postitions, but the Hillary Clinton you think you are voting for does not exist. She is as mythical as Kasier Sose. She was a Goldwater girl before she was a liberal.
It always makes me chuckle when people mention this. Yes, she was also the president of the Young Republicans. Don't forget to include that too.
Oh, guess what? [URL="http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/04/27/3431303/warren-left-gop/"]Elizabeth Warren[/URL] was a member of the Republican Party. Ronald Reagan was a Democrat most of his life until he was 50. Michael Bloomberg was a lifelong Democrat until 2001 and ran for Mayor of New York as a Republican.
If you want to talk about things that happened when Hillary Clinton was a "Goldwater Girl" I can tell you some things that changed even more. Nobody I knew owned a personal computer or a cell phone, and I had never watched TV in color.
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