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Old 03-23-2016, 07:11 AM
 
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RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - North Carolina: Trump vs. Clinton

Looks like there might be a chance NC turns blue again this year. Hillary got 616k votes in the primaries versus Trump's 458k.
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Old 03-23-2016, 07:13 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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North Carolina is a tossup as a moderate state. It can go either Democratic or Republican like Virginia.
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Old 03-23-2016, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Arlington VA
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Nice. A Hillary 2 point lead in NC means an 8-10 point lead in Virginia.

And it forces the GOP to spend money, time, and resources in a red state that usually Republicans win by double digits. Even Bill Clinton couldn't come close in NC when he won in 2 landslides.
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Old 03-23-2016, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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It doesn't even look like Trump can hold Romney's states at this point--thinking he can flip Pennsylvania and Michigan is a bad joke.

It's early, but these are ominous signs to say the least.
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Old 03-23-2016, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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This is all demographics. Clinton is strong among minorities and women. Trump is weak among minorities and women. Unless something changes, it's nearly impossible to win with just the white male vote.
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Old 03-23-2016, 07:26 AM
 
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There's a chance but I doubt it. Trump was up against 3 competitors in the NC primaries while Clinton just had one. Looking at the polls in your link it looks like they're just about equal if anything.

Romney won NC and he was a weak candidate while Obama won it in 2008 with historic black voter turnout. With Trump being stronger than Romney then Clinton likely not being able to draw the same turnout as Obama, I don't really see how she can win here.
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Old 03-23-2016, 07:27 AM
 
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North Carolina is a tossup as a moderate state. It can go either Democratic or Republican like Virginia.
That was true in 2008, but not any more. 2016 might be different.

Mick
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Old 03-23-2016, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Clinton beats Trump in Utah and ties in Arizona. If those states are in contention, Trump may not win anything but OK and WV. Still, these polls so far out are pretty worthless. It does make one wonder just what Republicans are thinking in nominating such a bum though.
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Old 03-23-2016, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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There's a chance but I doubt it. Trump was up against 3 competitors in the NC primaries while Clinton just had one. Looking at the polls in your link it looks like they're just about equal if anything.

Romney won NC and he was a weak candidate while Obama won it in 2008 with historic black voter turnout. With Trump being stronger than Romney then Clinton likely not being able to draw the same turnout as Obama, I don't really see how she can win here.
It's an unsubstantiated statement to say "Trump being stronger than Romney." At this point in 2012, Romney had the nomination sown up.
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Old 03-23-2016, 07:34 AM
 
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It's an unsubstantiated statement to say "Trump being stronger than Romney." At this point in 2012, Romney had the nomination sown up.
Another factor to consider is that Romney couldn't draw independents and democrats yet he still won here. Turning NC blue is all about turnout. Clinton only has a chance if she can somehow get the black voter turnout that Obama got, otherwise 2012 showed us that the GOP can win NC with just strong white male support.
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