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Assuming that Roe v. Wade is ever overruled, how does a state punish women who have a DIY abortion? Would they be charged with some new crime for DIY abortion or is that a murder? In other words, if there is no doctor to punish for an abortion, they have to punish someone, don't they? Like the woman? If we don't punish the women, aren't we encouraging or at least condoning DIY abortions?
Assuming that Roe v. Wade is ever overruled, how does a state punish women who have a DIY abortion? Would they be charged with some new crime for DIY abortion or is that a murder? In other words, if there is no doctor to punish for an abortion, they have to punish someone, don't they? Like the woman? If we don't punish the women, aren't we encouraging or at least condoning DIY abortions?
It was a fair question. If you can answer so definitely, why can't Trump? I have to agree with you and with Trump (position 1). If abortion is made illegal, as Trump insists it must be, then women who get one should be punished somehow. Now if Trump had the sense of Ted Cruz, he would have initially said his position is that performing abortions should be illegal. At that point, the question of punishing the woman would have been irrelevant.
Anyway, rest assured that Trump is not opposed to abortion to begin with. His real position is he ain't got time for this. Furthermore, everyone but the Republican candidates understand that the legality of abortion is out of their hands. Like so many issues that the candidates are fighting about (gun control is another), there is nothing that they are going to be able to do about it.
There is nothing they can do short of a constitutional amendment or a massive alteration of the make up of the Supreme Court. I suspect most of the candidates know it, too. It is their supporters who don't understand there are true limitations created by either the constitution or the size of the government with its checks and balances. Part of my concern with Trump is that I suspect he doesn't realize it either and is in for a very rude awakening if he wins. I think he's getting a sniff of it now.
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Assuming that Roe v. Wade is ever overruled, how does a state punish women who have a DIY abortion? Would they be charged with some new crime for DIY abortion or is that a murder? In other words, if there is no doctor to punish for an abortion, they have to punish someone, don't they? Like the woman? If we don't punish the women, aren't we encouraging or at least condoning DIY abortions?
Mick
I have heard in the past that DIY in this case has its own punishments without the involvement of the law. Also, disposing of the dead baby could be a problem depending on when the "deed" was done. We have all seen the news stories where dead babies are found in the dumpsters, so at what point would it be considered murder would probably enter into it. How could they prove when the death took place, before or after the baby leaves the birth canal?
I don't think we could ever stop people from killing their own babies despite the law. When one has it in their heart to get it done, they will find a way even if that act takes their life right along with that of their baby.
I find it interesting that so many people are naive about how much power the POTUS has. Do they no longer teach American Government in high school? If not, I think there is enough evidence here in "Elections" to get the "ball" rolling with that.
We all know this question was introduced to Trump to try to bring his poll numbers down. With Cruz slightly leading in WI, I don't think the timing was right.
With modern birth control...................... My thoughts can't be expressed here.
It isn't a half truth, they are HIS words. HIS, no one put those words in his mouth. He does not demonstrate the ability to think well or show good judgement quickly, if your theory is that he didn't expect the question. His need to back peddle his statements, especially on questions he should have been able to anticipate, show a serious lack of the qualities needed in a world leader and that he is not ready for the job. Nothing about Mr. Trump is presidential.
I could have answered that question, and I am not running for an office with pro-life as part of my platform. Most people could answer it with confidence, hence the knee-jerk reaction to his answer by so any people. Most of the pro-life advocates I know look at the woman with compassion, viewing her as someone who feels trapped into making a bad choice and who would have made a different choice if abortion wasn't available - not a criminal.
Donald Trump, like all adults, needs to accept ownership of his own words. His supporters need to quit pretending that he is some imbecile incapable of answering questions correctly about his own opinion and policies.
Why can't YOU run for office?! I'd vote for you. Lol
This is unbelievable, and then Hillary, Cruz and Bernie jump on board....
OK, the question to Trump was, "If Abortions were illegal?" who would be held accountable.
Trump's Answer: The Woman who got the Abortion....
And then everyone gasps as if he said something wrong...which he didn't.
When did this country start ignoring laws? Yes, If in fact Abortions were illegal, the Woman should be held accountable along with the doctor, like they did years ago...
So, now of course, They mince words, and are reporting that Trump said, "If a woman were to get an abortion, she should be punished...". Conveniently leaving out the, "if abortions were illegal" part.
I swear, do they actually think that Americans are that stupid?
It is amazing...how these reporters, who are supposed to be responsible people, take his words and use them against him...however, if the same question were directed at Obama, and he would have said, the same thing, it wouldn't be an issue??????
Insane, completely insane is the media, it is so obvious, they are still trying to destroy him....
Remember what they did to Herman Cain? Came out with all kinds of women he was supposed to have had affairs with, however, nothing was ever proven, b/c he said the same darn things, on these issues, that Trump is saying, but, the difference is, they can't get rid of Trump so easily.
What a circus and what liers the media is...
Oh, and this thread is not about if you believe in abortion or not...so....lets not get off topic....
Please
Of course, they jumped on it. It promotes the narrative, after all, and detracts from issues women are really concerned about, such as the economy and securing the borders. Abortion ain't all that.
IF something, is illegal, be it abortion, coming across the border, selling drugs, forcing sex upon an innocent child, it is against the law...it is in fact illegal.
So, if they made a law, once again, ILLEGAL to have abortions, then the woman needs to be punished.
It has nothing to do with war on women....they bated him...set him up, asked him the full question, then all the news stations started reporting only 1/2 the question....
this isn't about a war on women!!!!!! This isn't about Abortion...this is about, how the Media, twists and minces words to fit their own agendas....
I strongly agree - how the Media twists and minces words to fit their own agendas.
I watched the town hall last night between TRUMP and Chris Matthews - recorded earlier during the day. The frame rate was spread up to meet the hour time slot for commercials. Between the increased speed and Matthews over-talking TRUMP, it is clear FOX News bated and setup TRUMP.
I watched in disbelieve (again), as other channels only reported on half the story. Thinking how the LIBEL LAWS need to be updated. That news agencies can be sued for only reporting half the story...
Assuming that Roe v. Wade is ever overruled, how does a state punish women who have a DIY abortion? Would they be charged with some new crime for DIY abortion or is that a murder? In other words, if there is no doctor to punish for an abortion, they have to punish someone, don't they? Like the woman? If we don't punish the women, aren't we encouraging or at least condoning DIY abortions?
Mick
Before Roe v Wade, there was all kinds of gossip? rumors? among high school girls about how to prevent pregnancy and what to do to stop it if you thought you were. I heard more than once about how "...someone I know knew a girl who..." - used a knitting needle on herself, douched herself with coke or with some truly horrendous concoction, had someone stomp her in the stomach, deliberately leaped off the garage roof...
Sex education was not allowed in the schools then, and very few parents would talk about it, but I had a phys ed teacher and a home ec teacher who said "Now don't tell your parents that I'm talking about this, but you need to know", and then told us what they thought we needed to know, and answered our questions.
Yes, they could have gotten fired. I've always been grateful to them.
[quote=MTQ3000;43549559]Honestly, I'd be shocked if The Donald hasn't paid for at least one or two abortions . . . . that was probably why he was previously an ardent pro-abortionist. I am glad he has evolved.]
Thanks, I was thinking the same thing. What kind of person spouts off, before he thinks? For most of the women I know, just having an abortion is punishment, enough. Where are the men in this equation? I am sick of abortion being used as a political platform. There are tons of other issues out there.
Can't the republican party pull Trump's card? I think there should be mental tests as qualification for president. Trump seems like a nut job, to me. I wonder if he has an alcoholic drink, before he goes out on a limb, in public? He almost seems drunk to me. Maybe, he is drunk with power??? Trump is a Scary, Scary man.
It was a gotcha? Seriously? Asking a candidate who says as part of his candidacy that abortion should be illegal and that he would work to make abortion illegal, the question has merit.
So, if trump got what he wanted and abortion became illegal, trump says women should be punished in some way, so what sort of punishment would he think is appropriate for the woman?
Basically the same question was asked of the other candidates - why aren't y'all complaining it was unfair to them to be asked (paraphrasing) 'what if abortion were illegal'?
The premise of the OP was that the people "pouncing" on Trump "again" were somehow wrong. That premise was totally destroyed because Trump retracted his statement (or flip-flopped).
I actually agree with you though: If a candidate thinks Abortion should be illegal, and if it were, then they'd be in the right to say that ALL people participating should be held accountable. That being said, any candidate, from any party that wants to extend the reach of government into ANY human's right to make personal medical decisions for themselves is automatically disqualified from MY vote. I think that is the main reason so many "pounced". Not that he would uphold the law, but rather that he'd be in favor of a law that would require anyone to be held accountable for something that has been upheld time and time again by the SCOTUS to be a legal. THAT is the real story here.
[I do understand that some people disagree with me about women's rights. I respect their view, and hope they'll respect mine, even if we can't agree. I was simply responding to my take on what the controversy is really about, and how it's been spun by both sides.]
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