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Old 04-02-2016, 08:10 AM
 
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Didn't Sanders win 15 primaries and Hillary 19, pretty close I mean Hillary won states with more delegates. However, still optimistic 3 big delegate states coming up PA, NY, and CA. If that's a BIG IF Sanders can come out on top in those states and take delegates away from Clinton this race will be tight. He's guaranteed to take Wyoming, Wisconsin, Oregon, Montana, South/North Dakota.

Feeling won't take CT, RI, Delaware, Maryland, New Mexico, Kentucky, and D.C.

These states can go either way Indiana, New Jersey, and West Virginia.
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Old 04-02-2016, 08:33 AM
 
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Didn't Sanders win 15 primaries and Hillary 19, pretty close I mean Hillary won states with more delegates. However, still optimistic 3 big delegate states coming up PA, NY, and CA. If that's a BIG IF Sanders can come out on top in those states and take delegates away from Clinton this race will be tight. He's guaranteed to take Wyoming, Wisconsin, Oregon, Montana, South/North Dakota.

Feeling won't take CT, RI, Delaware, Maryland, New Mexico, Kentucky, and D.C.

These states can go either way Indiana, New Jersey, and West Virginia.
No it's 20-15 for contests, or 18-14 for states.
Sanders won many caucus states with ridiculously small number of voters
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Old 04-02-2016, 08:40 AM
 
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No it's 20-15 for contests, or 18-14 for states.
Sanders won many caucus states with ridiculously small number of voters
Haha, your bitterness is so blatant. Say after me, Daywalk: WE HATE CAUCUSES! WE WANT DEMOCRACY! incl. Iowa and Nevada of course, but it wasnt an issue for you then. Instead you talked up the victories as amazing and not ridiculous.
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Old 04-02-2016, 08:43 AM
 
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Feel The Math
First, the Sanders campaign needs to stop feeding the right-wing disinformation machine. Engaging in innuendo suggesting, without evidence, that Clinton is corrupt is, at this point, basically campaigning on behalf of the RNC. If Sanders really believes, as he says, that it’s all-important to keep the White House out of Republican hands, he should stop all that – and tell his staff to stop it too.

Second, it’s time for Sanders to engage in some citizenship. The presidency isn’t the only office on the line; down-ballot races for the Senate and even the House are going to be crucial. Clinton has been raising money for other races; Sanders hasn’t, and is still being evasive on whether he will ever do so. Not acceptable.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/201...the-math/?_r=0

PS - The New York Times has a pretty cool interactive delegate calculator

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...alculator.html
When he was crowing about how much money he had raised in an interview this week - he was asked if he would share some of that money for some of the down-ballot races and he was incredibly coy. Basically, no answer. Of course Hillary has raised money for other races.

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They not only want him to give the nomination to Hillary, they want him to raise money to get more establishment Democrats in congress.

In other words, they want him to be a useful idiot.
Do you not think he will NEED other Democrats in Congress to accomplish even 1/10th of his promises?? He sure as hell ain't going to accomplish anything with a Republican congress. Surely even Bernie should know that. It almost seems like he doesn't care.
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Old 04-02-2016, 08:49 AM
 
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When he was crowing about how much money he had raised in an interview this week - he was asked if he would share some of that money for some of the down-ballot races and he was incredibly coy. Basically, no answer. Of course Hillary has raised money for other races.
Asked about stealing money from his supporters to give to whoever he wishes. Nice...

Dems are getting bribe money to support her as many of them are superdelegates she counts on to stay loyal to her. Thats how this thing works. She can raise huge amounts from war corporations, banks and the drug industry in a return for favors to her Hillary Victory fund and channel it to the superdelegates. Sanders must spend every dime trying to overcome massive disadvantages at all levels of this race.
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Old 04-02-2016, 08:53 AM
 
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Do you not think he will NEED other Democrats in Congress to accomplish even 1/10th of his promises?? He sure as hell ain't going to accomplish anything with a Republican congress. Surely even Bernie should know that. It almost seems like he doesn't care.
Surely, Democrats voting against Bernie Sanders and against their constituents in a scenario where Congress is about to vote on higher minimum wage or expansion of overtime regulations will be tarred and feathered in their home state and will be chucked out?

You need to realize that the OVERWHELMING majority of Dem voters SUPPORT Sanders agenda. Ironically, the strongest Hillary supporters, African Americans are OVERWHELMINGLY progressive.
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Old 04-02-2016, 09:01 AM
 
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Asked about stealing money from his supporters to give to whoever he wishes. Nice...

Dems are getting bribe money to support her as many of them are superdelegates she counts on to stay loyal to her. Thats how this thing works. She can raise huge amounts from war corporations, banks and the drug industry in a return for favors to her Hillary Victory fund and channel it to the superdelegates. Sanders must spend every dime trying to overcome massive disadvantages at all levels of this race.
That is total and complete BS.

IF Bernie has any chance at all of implementing even ONE of his ideas - he will need a Democratic Congress; yet he is unwilling to spend one dime helping those below him.

Telling.
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Old 04-02-2016, 09:03 AM
 
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Surely, Democrats voting against Bernie Sanders and against their constituents in a scenario where Congress is about to vote on higher minimum wage or expansion of overtime regulations will be tarred and feathered in their home state and will be chucked out?

You need to realize that the OVERWHELMING majority of Dem voters SUPPORT Sanders agenda. Ironically, the strongest Hillary supporters, African Americans are OVERWHELMINGLY progressive.
You failed to answer my question. If Bernie wants to enact ANY of his proposed legislation - will he not absolutely need a Democratic Congress?

Yes, he will. You've admitted that.

That being the case - why does he refuse to spend one dime helping any democratic congressmen/women to get elected.

Does he not care if his plans are implemented or does he just want the title?
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Old 04-02-2016, 09:03 AM
 
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They not only want him to give the nomination to Hillary, they want him to raise money to get more establishment Democrats in congress.

In other words, they want him to be a useful idiot.
Well you don't support down stream Democrats who exactly does he think is going to support him in Congress, or does he have some magical bi-partisan wand that he can wave over the capitol rotunda.
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Old 04-02-2016, 09:07 AM
 
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Didn't Sanders win 15 primaries and Hillary 19, pretty close I mean Hillary won states with more delegates. However, still optimistic 3 big delegate states coming up PA, NY, and CA. If that's a BIG IF Sanders can come out on top in those states and take delegates away from Clinton this race will be tight. He's guaranteed to take Wyoming, Wisconsin, Oregon, Montana, South/North Dakota.

Feeling won't take CT, RI, Delaware, Maryland, New Mexico, Kentucky, and D.C.

These states can go either way Indiana, New Jersey, and West Virginia.
Please peruse the New York Times delegate calculator. Sanders has to win by an average of 60% over every remaining contest to secure the nomination. Hillary only has to to lose by 45% to win.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...alculator.html
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