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Old 04-02-2016, 11:40 AM
 
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180,000 new GOP party members in Pennsylvania
have affiliated to participate.

I wonder how many of them understand that their votes
do not matter nearly as much as the ruling class's choice.

Only 17 delegates in Pennsylvania are "pledged" to vote with
the will of the people. That's 24%.

54 delegates can go against the voters. That's 76%.


In North Dakota, the people have no choice at all.
Every single delegate (28) is chosen by party insiders
in a secret fashion which can include bribery ?

Do you know it is LEGAL to bribe delegates ?
You see, it's not an "election".
Silly Americans, think they decide their leadership.
And the talking heads say the GOP "doesn't have Superdelegates"
yeah, right...
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Old 04-02-2016, 11:48 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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I feel like a broken record, but here we go. The GOP is a private organization, they have the right to determine how to decide their nominee any way they want. If they wanted to make it based on something as ridiculous as who can eat the most cupcakes in 10 minutes, they can do that. It is part of their "freedom of association" right granted by the 1st amendment. The primaries and caucuses are not really elections but part of the selection process the two major political parties engage in. If you don't like how they do it you can exercise your freedom of association rights and not participate.
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Old 04-02-2016, 11:48 AM
 
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OH, the pain, oh the pain... political machinery that was put in place due to the desires of individual states are suddenly 'unfair unfair'. Perhaps the people in those states don't care how it is done. Perhaps the people in those states are happy with how it is done in their states. Perhaps someone should move to one of those states and work to change how those states do their candidate selection. Any volunteers?
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Old 04-02-2016, 11:50 AM
 
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Elections are a fraud. Nothing about them is democratic. What is taught in schools perpetuates the fraud and deceives people into believing their vote counts for something. The people who never bother to register or vote have been saying this for a long time and are proven correct. They are the most informed group.
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Old 04-02-2016, 11:53 AM
 
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Does Trump have insiders doing the same thing in each state as the other candidates on his own behalf?


Can they choose to vote with the will of the people if the people happen to overwhelmingly support Trump?
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Old 04-02-2016, 12:10 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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The GOP is convinced the voters really want Nikki Haley to be the nominee. They seem to be very in touch with voters, so we will see.
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Old 04-02-2016, 12:22 PM
 
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Elections are a fraud. Nothing about them is democratic. What is taught in schools perpetuates the fraud and deceives people into believing their vote counts for something. The people who never bother to register or vote have been saying this for a long time and are proven correct. They are the most informed group.
Yeah, OK. So, don't vote, then. Stay the "most informed".
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Old 04-02-2016, 12:24 PM
 
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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.

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Old 04-02-2016, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Amongst the AZ Cactus
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I feel like a broken record, but here we go. The GOP is a private organization, they have the right to determine how to decide their nominee any way they want. If they wanted to make it based on something as ridiculous as who can eat the most cupcakes in 10 minutes, they can do that. It is part of their "freedom of association" right granted by the 1st amendment. The primaries and caucuses are not really elections but part of the selection process the two major political parties engage in. If you don't like how they do it you can exercise your freedom of association rights and not participate.
That's how it works but doesn't make it fair/what will serve the people best/who the majority really want. Just look at the results we've been getting over decades now to see how this system has been working for the people. A form of GIGO. The machine thinks the choices they make are the BEST people to truly represent a party/the nation? Really?

Which to me is why the 2 party system is like John Adam's once stated and is not good for the people. I feel it would be much better to just have Independents running against each other and let the true majority of the PEOPLE decide from square one who they want their choices to be at all levels of the election process, not the machine/parties.

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Old 04-02-2016, 12:31 PM
 
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Does Trump have insiders doing the same thing in each state as the other candidates on his own behalf?
No, trump is convinced that the force of his personality is enough to convince everyone to vote for him, or to desert other candidates in order to vote for him. I believe someone who thinks that way is probably deluded, and woefully ignorant of how politics works.

Can they choose to vote with the will of the people if the people happen to overwhelmingly support Trump?
Yes, indeedy, but apparently not likely! It would have to truly be 'overwhelming support' for trump. Plus, it would have to overcome the individual delegate's own feelings about the candidate.
trump is suddenly discovering that he needs a similar ground game as any other, 'real' politician in order to win. He may be too invested in his own specialness to actually put that ground game together.

As far as being able to 'overwhelmingly' win in those states... not likely if history is any indication. He has won states with less than 50% of the votes in pretty much all cases, so I would call that significantly less than 'overwhelming'.
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