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Old 04-07-2016, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I strongly disagree. Do you think she writes all the stories in the media? What about all the pro-Bernie stories?


It's a fact that Hillary knows that her words MATTER while Bernie does not have the ability to control his words OR his temper - at all.


Hillary was ASKED to comment on the pretty poor interview that Bernie gave, gave her opinion, refused to call him unqualified and the Berners went NUTS.


Got it.
So few media outlets compared are covering Bernie accurately and completely

 
Old 04-07-2016, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Bernie has a long history of political expediency - including but not limited to his decision to run for the Democratic nomination despite decades of emphatically not being a Democrat.



The Phony Revolutionary: Bernie Sanders' Repeated Sellouts for Political Expediency

Democratic party ideals are Progressive ideals. Progressive describes Bernie.

The Democratic party has lost its way
 
Old 04-07-2016, 11:12 AM
 
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Whether or not Bernie can accomplish what he is proposing most people I know feel that he will actually attempt to bring those promises into place. Doesn't mean he will be successful or that it will be passed.


I know a fair number of conservatives who do not like Bernie or his goals but respect that he says as he believes. I know of very few people who hold Hillary in that same regard. Her recent pivots are actually mind-numbing.
 
Old 04-07-2016, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Democratic party ideals are Progressive ideals. Progressive describes Bernie.

The Democratic party has lost its way
Bernie doesn't get to define Progressive with a definition that fits only him.

In the World According to Bernie, Obama, Biden, John Kerry are all "not qualified" to be President, not to mention a few dozen Senators who also voted for the AUMF.

Additionally, Bernie isn't a Democrat and doesn't get to say what the Democratic party is or isn't.
 
Old 04-07-2016, 11:15 AM
 
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What's wrong with being a liar...everybody does it? As Hillary would say "What does it matter?" - People who struggle to survive in a competitive world belong to the every man for himself club. Lying is a sanctuary for the weak and desperate. The reason for this new normality is that the idea of honor is no longer important...One of my sons friends once said to me..."You are old school and all about being honest and that stupid honor thing" Welcome to a world where survival through criminality and the lack of honor is the new normal.
 
Old 04-07-2016, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Bernie doesn't get to define Progressive with a definition that fits only him.

In the World According to Bernie, Obama, Biden, John Kerry are all "not qualified" to be President, not to mention a few dozen Senators who also voted for the AUMF.

Additionally, Bernie isn't a Democrat and doesn't get to say what the Democratic party is or isn't.
What Is the Ideology of the Democrats? | The Classroom | Synonym

Bernie doesn't define it.

There exists an understanding of Democratic party ideology, and it is a Progressive stance--which is Bernie's stance
 
Old 04-07-2016, 11:19 AM
 
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What's wrong with being a liar...everybody does it? As Hillary would say "What does it matter?" - People who struggle to survive in a competitive world belong to the every man for himself club. Lying is a sanctuary for the weak and desperate. The reason for this new normality is that the idea of honor is no longer important...One of my sons friends once said to me..."You are old school and all about being honest and that stupid honor thing" Welcome to a world where survival through criminality and the lack of honor is the new normal.
It is a problem when you say you are for the people when you are mostly not

We are in the process of choosing the leader who will best represent us. So it's not just about simply telling lies--it is about lying about who you are and who you will represent.

That's important
 
Old 04-07-2016, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Hyrule
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Yeah, Bernie who panders for votes by promising handouts like free health care, free tuition, and $15/hr minimum wage, none of which he can actually accomplish. So noble of him to lie to try and get votes.
Why exactly can't America accomplish something most other countries have? I'm just curious to know why you feel we can't.

Americans pay much more for what they get (at least measured in terms of share of GNP spent, results obtained, and the percentage of the population covered) than any other country. And things don't seem to be getting any better.

We can't treat this like any other commodity. It's not the same. You don't bargain shop for your healthcare.
It's not like buying food or fuel. No coupons for your health. It's not an equal playing field.

(1) consumers have personal fears and lack of information that don't exist with food and fuel, (2) they equate cost with quality, turning the idea of rational markets upside down, (3) individuals' decisions regarding wellness affect the rest of us, (4) rationing is necessary but difficult to achieve, (5) there is an agency problem when neither payers nor providers (including pharma) are penalized by higher costs, (6) there is a "fee for services" vs. a "fee for results" payment system, (7) the U.S. has too many high-cost specialists performing work that could be performed more effectively by general practitioners and registered nurses, (8) high levels of liability encourage the practice of "overly-safe" and expensive medicine, (9) providers have fragmented and often incomplete information, and (10) consumers either have too little information with which to make rational decisions or don't make good use of the information they have.

Why, in a country that provides more medical research to the world than any other, can't Americans get health care right?


Why Can

You might think extra testing is good, that the more the better but, studies done show just the opposite. A lot of complications arise from these test, even death. It's not better to test, test, test so theirs a good profit margin in healthcare. It's ridiculous.
 
Old 04-07-2016, 01:16 PM
 
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Why exactly can't America accomplish something most other countries have? I'm just curious to know why you feel we can't.

Americans pay much more for what they get (at least measured in terms of share of GNP spent, results obtained, and the percentage of the population covered) than any other country. And things don't seem to be getting any better.

We can't treat this like any other commodity. It's not the same. You don't bargain shop for your healthcare.
It's not like buying food or fuel. No coupons for your health. It's not an equal playing field.

(1) consumers have personal fears and lack of information that don't exist with food and fuel, (2) they equate cost with quality, turning the idea of rational markets upside down, (3) individuals' decisions regarding wellness affect the rest of us, (4) rationing is necessary but difficult to achieve, (5) there is an agency problem when neither payers nor providers (including pharma) are penalized by higher costs, (6) there is a "fee for services" vs. a "fee for results" payment system, (7) the U.S. has too many high-cost specialists performing work that could be performed more effectively by general practitioners and registered nurses, (8) high levels of liability encourage the practice of "overly-safe" and expensive medicine, (9) providers have fragmented and often incomplete information, and (10) consumers either have too little information with which to make rational decisions or don't make good use of the information they have.

Why, in a country that provides more medical research to the world than any other, can't Americans get health care right?


Why Can

You might think extra testing is good, that the more the better but, studies done show just the opposite. A lot of complications arise from these test, even death. It's not better to test, test, test so theirs a good profit margin in healthcare. It's ridiculous.
Why do you assume because most other countries accomplished it, that it would be right for us and that its the right answer overall?

Nobody is suggesting healthcare be treated like a commodity, commodities are almost by definition products that are a dime a dozen, abundant, and traded for in mass quantities...such as your examples of food and fuel. Health care needs to be treated like many other products so that it becomes much more affordable and easily understood. Can you name any other products besides health care where we don't get to know what we are paying for it? Its beyond ridiculous. Nobody is saying to "bargain shop" for it either, you make it sound like I am suggesting you just go find the cheapest low frills product, which is not at all what I'm suggesting. Right now nobody knows if they are being charged 50x what it should cost for a service and thats ridiculous.
 
Old 04-07-2016, 02:43 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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It is a problem when you say you are for the people when you are mostly not

We are in the process of choosing the leader who will best represent us. So it's not just about simply telling lies--it is about lying about who you are and who you will represent.

That's important
Bernie lies when he says he won't tax the middle class. That's a lie.
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