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Old 04-11-2016, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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"Of all sad words of tongue and pen, the saddest are these, it might have been."

We don't know what would have happened, had there been a primary.

There is a bill in the Colorado legislature to go back to a primary system. I don't know its status. Anyone?
It got voted down last year - because the state pays for primaries but the parties pay for caucuses. Supposedly they are going to try again, but whether that really happens, who knows.

There is a separate movement to try to change to let Independents participate. That one, I disagree with. I think that members of a party should be the ones who get to decide their candidates and their platform.
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Old 04-11-2016, 09:53 AM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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Gotta love this hyperbole.
Worse than Charles Manson?

And no, Colorado isn't another very white state.
But the GOP is very conservative here.

Odd, I thought that was how people wanted their Republican leaders.

Seriously, though, why should Colorado have handed Trump the nomination?
He couldn't be bothered to even show up and campaign.
why aren't we talking more about this important point?

cruz understands the game and knows how to play it, while trump never even bothered to find out.

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Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump's concerns about how delegates are allotted turned into a roar on Monday as he accused the campaign of rival Ted Cruz of buying votes after his weekend win in Colorado.
Trump hammers successful Cruz delegate strategy as 'crooked' | Reuters
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Old 04-11-2016, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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The Democrats screwed Sanders a long time ago by erasing all mention of him to protect their frontrunner. The first dem debate (Oct 13th) happened literally AFTER many states' registration deadlines for voting in the primary (New York - Oct 9th). So anyone on the dem side who learned who Sanders was who wasn't registered to vote in the primaries at that point was disenfranchised in a lot of states. Clinton will take that to the bank and win all the east coast states with closed primaries--dark blue states that Sanders would probably win if the states had open primaries and allowed voters to register right up to the deadline. Most of these states have primaries that don't matter in most years; things are usually settled by the time these states vote, hence why many people didn't care whether they were registered as a democrat to vote in them.
This is total nonsense. I live in New York. I'm also an enrolled Democrat. The last day to register to vote in the New York primary was March 25, 2016, which was about 2 weeks ago. Since NY has a closed primary, you have to enroll in a party to vote its primary, and you had to do that by March 25, too. Moreover, the dates were publicized everywhere: in newspapers and on radio and tv through new stories as well as non-partisan public service announcements. This process and the dates are set by state law, not by either political party. NOBODY in the NY Democratic Party ... or the NY Republican Party, either ... attempted to "screw" any candidate, so go stuff your bull manure and fake outrage where the sun doesn't shine.

BTW, voters can still register to vote in the general election in New York until some time in October, 2016.
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Old 04-11-2016, 10:04 AM
 
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why aren't we talking more about this important point?

cruz understands the game and knows how to play it, while trump never even bothered to find out.
No, that is a mischaracterization of what's happening.

The sellout/underling mentality of GOP party controllers in some states
such as Colorado have nothing to do with a perceived "failure" of the
Donald Trump campaign. He could outreach and lobby for these delegates
fruitlessly until the cows come home.
They are political hacks and sellouts with their rewards provided by
the sitting GOP establishments in their state party and in their
congressional delegations.
The Trump campaign is doing the right thing by identifying these places,
not wasting time on determined outcomes, yet also preparing to take
revenge against these individuals and lining up a lawsuit against the
GOP that will destroy it in the eyes of the people forever if he is
barred from its nomination.

Trump will bring down the GOP if he is not nominated.
They will be a party of the past. This is total war.
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Old 04-11-2016, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Originally Posted by Katarina Witt View Post
"Of all sad words of tongue and pen, the saddest are these, it might have been."

We don't know what would have happened, had there been a primary.

There is a bill in the Colorado legislature to go back to a primary system. I don't know its status. Anyone?
Not sure of the status, but there does seem to be bi-partisan support to restore the primary system in time for the 2020 election season.
Of course, there will all sorts of debates about how to pay for it, but I'm thinking it has a better chance of becoming reality after this year.

GOP & Dems agree: restore the Presidential Primary to Colorado - KOAA.com | Continuous News | Colorado Springs and Pueblo
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Old 04-11-2016, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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This is total nonsense. I live in New York. I'm also an enrolled Democrat. The last day to register to vote in the New York primary was March 25, 2016, which was about 2 weeks ago. Since NY has a closed primary, you have to enroll in a party to vote its primary, and you had to do that by March 25, too. Moreover, the dates were publicized everywhere: in newspapers and on radio and tv through new stories as well as non-partisan public service announcements. This process and the dates are set by state law, not by either political party. NOBODY in the NY Democratic Party ... or the NY Republican Party, either ... attempted to "screw" any candidate, so go stuff your bull manure and fake outrage where the sun doesn't shine.

BTW, voters can still register to vote in the general election in New York until some time in October, 2016.
In order to SWITCH a party registration to vote in the primary, it had to be done by October 2015. It's 25 days before the previous general election in order to be eligible to vote in the presidential primary the following year.

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A change of enrollment received by the board of elections
not later than the twenty-fifth day before the general
election shall be deposited in a sealed enrollment box, which
shall not be opened until the first Tuesday following such
general election. Such change of enrollment shall be then
removed and entered as provided in this article.
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/ELN/5-304

more info Don't Miss the Party (Primaries) in 2016 | New York City Campaign Finance Board
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Old 04-11-2016, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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why aren't we talking more about this important point?

cruz understands the game and knows how to play it, while trump never even bothered to find out.
This does not compute with the Trumplets ... or with Trump apparently. My guess is that Trump thinks that a political campaign is like a reality tv show ... all he has to do put on these big stadium style rallies, sell merchandise to the faithful, and win elections via ratings (polls). He was criticized in Iowa for not having boots on the ground there working the voters to get support in the caucuses, and he didn't learn anything from that because he's still not figured out that winning delegates not polls counts!
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Old 04-11-2016, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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Trump will bring down the GOP if he is not nominated.
They will be a party of the past. This is total war.
Trump will bring down the GOP if he is nominated. The question: will the Electoral College loss be as bad as 1972 or "only" as bad as 1964?
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Old 04-11-2016, 10:15 AM
 
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Ted Cruz is doing the typical sleazy lawyer things to win. A lawyer defends a guy knowing full well he's a murderer/tax cheat/racketeer/rapist/etc. and tries to get him off on a technicality like the search warrant said you could only search the house for the knife he used to stab his victim 30 times, not the detached shed. That's how Ted Cruz plans to win. He's using his sleazy lawyer bag of tricks and trying to win on a technicality. Then he celebrates his victory.
gee, a politician using the rules of the game to try and win. in fact ANYONE using the rules of the game to try and win, what a concept. that doesnt happen anywhere else now does it? i used to be a crew chief in the late 70s/early 80s, and the first thing i did each season was get the new rule book and study it looking for ANY advantage i could find, regardless of how small it might be. i also went in with the mindset that if the rules didnt mention something was illegal, then it was ok to do.

you can bet that trump is doing what he needs to do to win as well.

so your post is basically crap, and you are just hating on ted cruz.
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Old 04-11-2016, 10:20 AM
 
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Trump will bring down the GOP if he is nominated. The question: will the Electoral College loss be as bad as 1972 or "only" as bad as 1964?
This topic isn't about the general election.
We're talking about how Trump will either transform
or collapse the GOP. One will happen, on that we agree.
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