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Old 04-25-2016, 11:43 AM
 
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Only because their chosen candidate IS THE STATUS Quo! He has supported the status quo for decades. He has used crony capitalism to his advantage, he treats voters as idiots and tells them what they want to hear without specifically explaining how he will achieve these promises.

He has enlisted a fan base that has no understanding in the process and misleads them about the process. His only true claim to being anti-establishment is that he has never done anything beyond donating money to the party he now holds in contempt. He has never actively engaged in the process to bring about the changes he claims are needed and has appealed to supporters who are also without knowledge of the party process and have contributed NOTHING to the process they now claim is corrupt.

Stupid people are following a stupid man who has no understanding of the political process and has no intellectual curiousity about how the system works and has never actively participated in the process to make changes. Instead, the stupid candidate and his stupid followers whine about something they don't understand for the simple reason that they are not benefiting from that system/process.

It is no different than a student complaining that their college is corrupt because they are not making straight "A"s, yet they never put in the time and work necessary to earn the grades. They want to say they are a student of X University, but have no understanding of the rules and processes at the school, so instead of getting educated about the rules and processes, they merely complain that the rules are unfair.

You cannot fix stupid!
I'm voting for Sanders.......the people believe the process is broken and sucks. They do not care if someone is ignorant of that broken system.

Trump now MOE with Hillary but well behind Sanders.

https://mediarelations.gwu.edu/ameri...tleground-poll

 
Old 04-25-2016, 12:42 PM
 
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I'm voting for Sanders.......the people believe the process is broken and sucks. They do not care if someone is ignorant of that broken system.

Trump now MOE with Hillary but well behind Sanders.

https://mediarelations.gwu.edu/ameri...tleground-poll
Complaining about a process that is broken is easy. Understanding the process, so that you can find solutions to actively fix the problem is hard, and Donald is not about doing the hard work. He is very shallow and is only concerned with "the brand." After he creates "the brand," he will leave it to other to deal with the aftermath.

What value is it for someone to point at your car and say, it won't run, it sucks! Do you want that person to "fix" your car, when they have absolutely no idea how the car even operates, much less why the car won't run? No, it really is helpful to tell you that your car sucks and that the solution is to force car manufactures to build great cars, best cars ever! And he will make sure that the car manufactures PAY to make great cars...etc., etc., So where does that get you right now with a broken car? Wouldn't it make more sense to take your car to the person who has study how your car engine works and has ideas about how to fix your car after learning how your car works and giving you reasonable options instead of "pie in the sky" ideas only meant to wow you and woo you, but won't really change anything?

That is who Donald is, the person that points out the problem and gets his followers emotionally involved by repetitive mantras of "lyin" and "corrupt" and "unfair," but there is no solution, because there is no actual understanding underlying the marketing campaign.
 
Old 04-25-2016, 12:46 PM
 
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Complaining about a process that is broken is easy. Understanding the process, so that you can find solutions to actively fix the problem is hard, and Donald is not about doing the hard work. He is very shallow and is only concerned with "the brand." After he creates "the brand," he will leave it to other to deal with the aftermath.

What value is it for someone to point at your car and say, it won't run, it sucks! Do you want that person to "fix" your car, when they have absolutely no idea how the car even operates, much less why the car won't run? No, it really is helpful to tell you that your car sucks and that the solution is to force car manufactures to build great cars, best cars ever! And he will make sure that the car manufactures PAY to make great cars...etc., etc., So where does that get you right now with a broken car? Wouldn't it make more sense to take your car to the person who has study how your car engine works and has ideas about how to fix your car after learning how your car works and giving you reasonable options instead of "pie in the sky" ideas only meant to wow you and woo you, but won't really change anything?

That is who Donald is, the person that points out the problem and gets his followers emotionally involved by repetitive mantras of "lyin" and "corrupt" and "unfair," but there is no solution, because there is no actual understanding underlying the marketing campaign.
I know I'm not going to take it to the person that broke it in the first place. Pointing out the problem is a step up from continuing to do the things that caused the problem.
 
Old 04-25-2016, 12:59 PM
 
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I know I'm not going to take it to the person that broke it in the first place. Pointing out the problem is a step up from continuing to do the things that caused the problem.
Not if you were the one who knew the car was impaired, but took advantage of that fact for years, until the car no longer ran the way you wanted it to, so only THEN did you point out problems and complain.

Donald has been paying politicians for years and using lobbyists for years to play the system he only now complains about. That doesn't make him an outsider, it makes him a hypocrite. And a hypocrite who has no intention of doing anything about the problem other than to "fix" it to his benefit. Same as any establishment politician would.
 
Old 04-25-2016, 01:01 PM
 
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Not if you were the one who knew the car was impaired, but took advantage of that fact for years, until the car no longer ran the way you wanted it to, so only THEN did you point out problems and complain.

Donald has been paying politicians for years and using lobbyists for years to play the system he only now complains about. That doesn't make him an outsider, it makes him a hypocrite. And a hypocrite who has no intention of doing anything about the problem other than to "fix" it to his benefit. Same as any establishment politician would.
That *might* be true. The voters know if they elect Cruz or Kasich it will be true.
 
Old 04-25-2016, 01:03 PM
 
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That *might* be true. The voters know if they elect Cruz or Kasich it will be true.
Nothing Cruz has done while in office has shown anything other than standing up to the establishment and keeping his promises to his constituents. Even with the result of being pushed out by the establishment for failing to go along to get along.
 
Old 04-25-2016, 01:15 PM
 
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Nothing Cruz has done while in office has shown anything other than standing up to the establishment and keeping his promises to his constituents. Even with the result of being pushed out by the establishment for failing to go along to get along.
He sleeps with Goldman Sachs and he is a huge supporter of the wars. Both positions that are greatly harming the country.
 
Old 04-25-2016, 01:17 PM
 
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Nothing Cruz has done while in office has shown anything other than standing up to the establishment and keeping his promises to his constituents. Even with the result of being pushed out by the establishment for failing to go along to get along.
Oh, please! Cruz is part of the establishment. Doubt it? Take a look at where he is getting his money:

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/c...p?id=N00033085

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/i...085&cycle=2016

No one is stopping you from voting for Cruz but don't kid yourself. He is in the pockets of his mega-rich donors.
 
Old 04-25-2016, 02:56 PM
 
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Oh, please! Cruz is part of the establishment. Doubt it? Take a look at where he is getting his money:

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/c...p?id=N00033085

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/i...085&cycle=2016

No one is stopping you from voting for Cruz but don't kid yourself. He is in the pockets of his mega-rich donors.
Who do you think is gonna finance Trump's campaign once he wins the nomination? the tooth fairy or the Eastern Bunny?

Trump is not self-funded. He is using donations and borrowing money he doesn't plan to pay in the first place.

Trump is just cutting the middle man. He has paid politicians for decades and he is very used to being a corrupt businessman scamming governments, lenders, investors and little people like the people who took those seminars at Trump University. Past behavior is the best predictor of future performance. All Trump will do is approve laws that benefit his millionaire friends, his children and himself.
 
Old 04-25-2016, 03:24 PM
 
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He sleeps with Goldman Sachs and he is a huge supporter of the wars. Both positions that are greatly harming the country.
He does not "sleep with GS" and you have no proof of that. His wife works at GS, but that has absolutely nothing to do with his voting record or bills sponsored. Show me proof that he "sleeps with GS" and don't point to his wife just because she is an employee there.

Also prove where Cruz is a huge supporter of "the wars."
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