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Old 02-13-2008, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Apparently Hillary is not very good at making friends or inspiring people. If those that know her are ready to bail on her what does that tell you about her as a candidate?


Top Democrats, including some inside Hillary Clinton's campaign, say many party leaders the so-called superdelegates won't hesitate to ditch the former New York senator for Barack Obama if her political problems persist. Their loyalty to the first couple is built on shaky ground.

ON DEADLINE: Chickens come home to roost - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_campaignplus/20080213/ap_ca/on_deadline_clinton;_ylt=AgvlErbaS3P_eFGnnOGUnFsDW 7oF - broken link)
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Old 02-13-2008, 12:13 PM
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Location: Pennsylvania
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"Getting ready to" and doing it are two different things. I do agree though that if after TX, OH, and PA things haven't picked up, they'll leave.
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Old 02-13-2008, 12:14 PM
 
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Apparently Hillary is not very good at making friends or inspiring people. If those that know her are ready to bail on her what does that tell you about her as a candidate?

Top Democrats, including some inside Hillary Clinton's campaign, say many party leaders the so-called superdelegates won't hesitate to ditch the former New York senator for Barack Obama if her political problems persist. Their loyalty to the first couple is built on shaky ground.

ON DEADLINE: Chickens come home to roost - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_campaignplus/20080213/ap_ca/on_deadline_clinton;_ylt=AgvlErbaS3P_eFGnnOGUnFsDW 7oF - broken link)
I'm not sure this can be isolated to just the Clinton campaign. People want to back a winner. Its the reason for the Obama sweeps we are seeing now.

But it does say something about the lack of loyalty for the Clintons. It seems that B Clinton has doomed Hillary's campaign.
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Old 02-13-2008, 12:18 PM
 
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i dont think that bill has hurt her campaign at all. her problems are that not everyone is for mandatory universal health care,and she has probably alienated a lot of men with the women rhetoric. ironically, as a republican voter she is looking better to me the more i research obama's record and with our party's choice of mccain. (which i gotta say i never thought would happen).
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Old 02-13-2008, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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I'm not sure this can be isolated to just the Clinton campaign. People want to back a winner. Its the reason for the Obama sweeps we are seeing now.

But it does say something about the lack of loyalty for the Clintons. It seems that B Clinton has doomed Hillary's campaign.
I think her campaign was going to have problems either way. If Bill had remained presidential and remained out of the spotlight, she wouldn't have gotten off the ground. So she had to have his involvement.

Problem is, once you invite Bill in, then it becomes about him.
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Old 02-13-2008, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Texas
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The superdelegates are not going to take flight at this point. It would be premature. Because of whom they are, they're not going to risk being on the wrong side of the nominee. The superdelegates are people who have a great, personal stake in who wins and the nominee is the titular head of the party.
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Old 02-13-2008, 12:43 PM
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Location: Pennsylvania
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The superdelegates are not going to take flight at this point. It would be premature. Because of whom they are, they're not going to risk being on the wrong side of the nominee. The superdelegates are people who have a great, personal stake in who wins and the nominee is the titular head of the party.
Translation: Superdelegates don't rely on the MSM to determine who's the best candidate for the Presidency, nor who is ahead or behind. They are far more intimately connected to what's going on than Wolf Blitzer is.

It's unfortunate that so many people on this board buy into the MSM's "coronations".
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Old 02-13-2008, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Translation: Superdelegates don't rely on the MSM to determine who's the best candidate for the Presidency, nor who is ahead or behind. They are far more intimately connected to what's going on than Wolf Blitzer is.

It's unfortunate that so many people on this board buy into the MSM's "coronations".
Well, yes, but I was alluding to the fact that many of the Superdelegates ponder their own re-election campaigns and look to the nominee or president to campaign for them. They don't want to risk getting the cold shoulder. Others are party bigwigs who are political operatives. Being on the wrong side can reduce their chances for future employment as campaign managers and strategists.

If Hillary doesn't win Texas, Pennsylvania, etc. then they will be reconsidering. But it is too risky for them to jump ship at this point.
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Old 02-13-2008, 12:58 PM
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Location: Pennsylvania
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Well, yes, but I was alluding to the fact that many of the Superdelegates ponder their own re-election campaigns and look to the nominee or president to campaign for them. They don't want to risk getting the cold shoulder. Others are party bigwigs who are political operatives. Being on the wrong side can reduce their chances for future employment as campaign managers and strategists.

If Hillary doesn't win Texas, Pennsylvania, etc. then they will be reconsidering. But it is too risky for them to jump ship at this point.
Yes, you are correct. That's why I am becoming increasingly disenchanted with John Edwards' lack of endorsement. It's becoming quite clear that he does indeed prefer Hillary, but, he's taking a "wait and see" attitude to preserve his own political skin.

You hit the nail on the head. All politicians have their own interests at heart first and foremost.
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Old 02-13-2008, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque
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I think it's over for Hillary.
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