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Old 02-13-2008, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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Well, I think I like Ron Paul even more now lol.
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Old 02-14-2008, 02:06 AM
 
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Not to mention McCain's support of making permanent the backloaded Bush tax cuts, which have been estimated to cost 4.3 Trillion through 2018, at which time we'll only be 15 years into our 100 year Iraqi commitment.
Yeah, I know. This is like a big hole we're digging.

I didn't realize it until recently, but a lot of voters weren't "of age" when Bill Clinton was president. Bill Clinton was a fiscal conservative and he got into a lot of big fights with congress over the budget. He finally got this country to the point to where we had a budget surplus -- and then George Bush went and handed it out as a tax refund. Seriously.

If we had kept the Clinton taxes and had not had the GWB tax cuts, we would have been "not in the hole" nearly as much as we are now. Things would have been a lot better, particularly if we hadn't gone to war with Iraq -- in that case, we probably would have been running a budget surplus and we would have been paying off the national debt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BUT NO!!! Freakin' George Bush wanted to give money back and so now we are way way in the hole.

But Clinton was a saver and we would have had money socked away for a rainy day by now...
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Old 02-14-2008, 02:09 AM
 
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Those of you who are for Ron Paul -- do some research on Bill Clinton and the budgets from the years he was in office. You'll find that he was a real fiscal conservative.

This is one of the main reasons I want to vote for Hillary.
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Old 02-14-2008, 02:21 AM
 
Location: on the edge of Sanity
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Those of you who are for Ron Paul -- do some research on Bill Clinton and the budgets from the years he was in office. You'll find that he was a real fiscal conservative.

This is one of the main reasons I want to vote for Hillary.

Yes, I agree. I believe Hillary is strong enough to make her own decisions and run the country, but I also believe she will consult with her husband who certainly must be a positive influence. (most of the time)

Ron Paul has some good ideas, but I don't think they are realistic.
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Old 02-14-2008, 02:35 AM
 
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Yes, I agree. I believe Hillary is strong enough to make her own decisions and run the country, but I also believe she will consult with her husband who certainly must be a positive influence. (most of the time)

Ron Paul has some good ideas, but I don't think they are realistic.
I agree (obviously). One thing that strikes me from posts I read and e-mails I've received -- a lot of voters weren't voters back in the 1992 to 2000 cycle so they don't really know much about Bill Clinton. I think those of us who remember him need to spread the word!!

BILL CLINTON WAS A FISCAL CONSERVATIVE!!!!!!

(I liked Ron Paul on fiscal policy but on everything else, he really turned me off!)
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Old 02-14-2008, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Yeah, I know. This is like a big hole we're digging.

I didn't realize it until recently, but a lot of voters weren't "of age" when Bill Clinton was president. Bill Clinton was a fiscal conservative and he got into a lot of big fights with congress over the budget. He finally got this country to the point to where we had a budget surplus -- and then George Bush went and handed it out as a tax refund. Seriously.

If we had kept the Clinton taxes and had not had the GWB tax cuts, we would have been "not in the hole" nearly as much as we are now. Things would have been a lot better, particularly if we hadn't gone to war with Iraq -- in that case, we probably would have been running a budget surplus and we would have been paying off the national debt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BUT NO!!! Freakin' George Bush wanted to give money back and so now we are way way in the hole.

But Clinton was a saver and we would have had money socked away for a rainy day by now...
As would have Gore and, to a lessor extent, the 2000 version of McCain who bears little to no resemblance to 2007 McCain.
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Old 02-14-2008, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
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Those of you who are for Ron Paul -- do some research on Bill Clinton and the budgets from the years he was in office. You'll find that he was a real fiscal conservative.

This is one of the main reasons I want to vote for Hillary.
How do you relate fiscal conservatism to her Health Care plan? She is all about bigger government. That's the exact opposite of Ron Paul's stance.
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Old 02-14-2008, 09:05 AM
 
Location: DFW, TX
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Clinton ran a balanced budget in the end, which is better than what we saw out of GWB. But he wasn't about less spending, he was about raising tax revenues to make sure the budget was balanced. While it's respectable to run a balanced budget, I'd rather see less spending to get there.
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