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Old 05-01-2016, 02:05 PM
 
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I don't hate them, but I don't have much respect for them either. And I do hate what they represent - the continuing dumbing down of the American electorate, the progressive deterioration of the entire political system, and the desperate death spiral dive toward the bottom as the candidates become worse and more unqualified every year. I mean, come on - 340 million people, and these couple of corrupt, criminal clowns are the best we can do? You kidding me?

On the one hand, you can blame our political system for allowing it to get to the point where so many people actually consider a monstrosity like Trump credible, much less the best choice - but at the same time, anyone dumb enough to vote for him doesn't get much empathy from me.

For the last half century, Americans have asked, "How could the Italian and German people ever have allowed leaders like Mussolini and Hitler to come to power?" What they don't realize is, this is how - people get fed up, scared, desperate, and they begin to crave authoritarianism. They'll listen to the biggest, loudest, toughest-sounding voice in the room, and follow it anywhere as long as it promises them it will take care of everything and they won't have to be afraid anymore. This is what happened in Europe 80 years ago, and it's exactly what is happening again here. Whether it will go as far here as it did there is doubtful, but the very fact that we're even going partway down the same road is deeply troubling, and a very bad indicator of the direction the nation is going. And I do blame Trump supporters for being too ignorant to comprehend that, and/or too amoral to care.

And, perhaps most of all, I blame the Republican Party for their decades-long anti-intellectualism campaign. The GOP has been deliberately neutering the education system and dumbing down the American people since the Reagan era, because they know that the more poorly educated someone is, the more likely they are to vote Republican. They depend on a stupid electorate get their majorities, and they have systematically and deliberately constructed one over the last 30 years or more. The Trumpist aberration is a direct outcome of that - and to that end, I blame just about every member of the Republican party for not only allowing it to happen, but helping to create it by voting for the candidates who have effected these policies.

So. Hate? No. Disgust? Absolutely. Contempt, too, of course. But not really hate. Not pity, either, because they made (and continue to make) conscious choices that make horrors like Trump and Cruz possible, and they have only themselves to blame. But no, I wouldn't say I hate them. Mostly just disgusted by them.
Spot On post. The American electorate is getting dangerously stupid.
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Old 05-01-2016, 02:06 PM
 
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Trump rebuilt Wollman Rink "under budget" because he lied and never payed the sub-contractors and they all went bankrupt.

Just like his failed casinos, and Made in China suits...he's a con-man on a grand scale
All your posts in this thread are so good -- but I can't rep you anymore. They say everything I think.

At one point, I was open to the idea of Trump being President. I actually thought he might be better than Cruz and the others -- but that started changing with his Twitter wars, his insults. I finally realized that Trump is uncontrollable. The Heidi Cruz tweet put me right over the edge and I became a real Trump hater.

He's not "for" women. Any woman who thinks he will vote for her issues is fooling themselves.
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Old 05-01-2016, 02:10 PM
 
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Not since the Trump follower sucker punched the guy in the face at one of his rallies.
I'm curious to find out how much violence from the anti-Trump side can be justified by that single punch from an old man.
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Old 05-01-2016, 02:11 PM
 
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All your posts in this thread are so good -- but I can't rep you anymore. They say everything I think.

At one point, I was open to the idea of Trump being President. I actually thought he might be better than Cruz and the others -- but that started changing with his Twitter wars, his insults. I finally realized that Trump is uncontrollable. The Heidi Cruz tweet put me right over the edge and I became a real Trump hater.

He's not "for" women. Any woman who thinks he will vote for her issues is fooling themselves.
I admit, Trump was appealing to me at one point also...but when you dig deep into his history...you see that the guy is a disaster in nearly every area and I've lived through enough presidents to know that a person whose failed in his past will fail as president also.

I don't understand Trump supporters...they constantly bring up Hillary's past as a reason not to vote for her but they go ape when someone brings up Trumps past like it dosent matter.

Trump would be a disaster to the point that I could see him turning this country into a banana republic
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Old 05-01-2016, 02:20 PM
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When Carter ran in 1976, he came out of nowhere on an outsider image. He was after all a peanut farmer [and Governor of Georgia -mm4]. Carter was despised by the democratic congress while he was president because he was terrible at working with them. Mondale had to be stopped from resigning as Vice President over how bad of a president Carter was.

Trump would essentially be the same way. Hated by both the GOP and Dems...he wouldn't accomplish anything.
And Obama was the son of a goat herder [not really--https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jrrnkKmUzo, and, er, a U.S. Senator.

Your arguments are terrible. First I show you he didn't in the least run into the kind of resistance they're creating for Trump--and now you respond that he was a terrible president after he was elected. Which is true but not related to your original comment in response to my post.



If you were awake in 1980, you'd see that Trump more closely resembles Reagan's election--although even he didn't get this kind of panic from a corrupted party and Zionist left establishment media. Probably because both hadn't yet mutated into this far more virulent form.

They turned the 3 stars on the elephant upside down--inverted pentacles--after Reagan's re-election.

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Old 05-01-2016, 02:25 PM
 
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I would have to answer <bold> with a huge NO as evidenced by the violence put upon Trump supporters at several rally sites.
Bloody noses,tasers,tear gas,hitting,kicking etc. show me that for supporters of the Democrat field if you don't believe as they do you deserve to be wiped out with physical force if necessary.
At this point, the anti-Trump folks are vastly more violent and nasty than anything ever done by Trump supporters. That doesn't excuse bad behavior, but at this point the anti-Trump crowd has lost any semblance of moral superiority that they may have once had.
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Old 05-01-2016, 02:29 PM
 
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Your arguments are terrible. First I show you he didn't in the least run into the kind of resistance they're creating for Trump--and now you respond that he was a terrible president after he was elected. Which is true but not related to your original comment in response to my post.
My argument was that Carter failed because he could not work together with his own party while he was president.

Trump is the same way...the GOP dosen't want anything to do with him and the Dems moreso. You cannot get elected and expect to effectively govern the country without the support of the parties.

There is good reason for the resistance to Trump's candidacy and there's a good reason why the whole world fears him...because he would be a disaster
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Old 05-01-2016, 02:34 PM
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Trump is the same way...the GOP dosen't want anything to do with him and the Dems moreso. You cannot get elected and expect to effectively govern the country without the support of the parties.
(A.) That's party corruption. And (B.), it's not even among the original arguments attempted against him--which were all over the place. These antagonists are genuinely afraid of the sunlight, of a strong and prosperous country.

The very first day he announced, Zionist Mort Zuckerman's New York Daily News Shopped a clown nose on him. The New York Times pushed ¿Jeb! so frequently that he sometimes appeared on A1 in two separate articles as some rising star in early primary season.

Why you no want Jeb? The NYT is incredulous--and unnerved, rattled.

Moreover there is no shortage of Republicans who respect and affiliate with Trump openly, among them Chris Christie and Jeff Sessions. Again, leftist media lies that the clueless progressive left slurps up then regurgitates into its peers.

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Old 05-01-2016, 02:41 PM
 
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Do you believe that all of the millions who have voted for and/or support Trump are as equally evil, racist, and sexist as you believe him to be?
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Are they unaware of what he stands for?
No, Most of them know what he stands for
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Or are a certain percentage of them just ignorant dupes?
I'm sure there are a few, all rules have exceptions

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I ask this because the level of loathing for this likely presidential candidate is unprecedented in modern times. It is a frightening prospect to contemplate that level of loathing spilling over onto our fellow citizens who choose to exercise their right to vote for Mr. Trump.
You reap what you sow. Trump is promoting hate, don't expect us to turn the other cheek

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Put simply, for those who seethe with such hatred toward Trump: do you hate those who support him? Or are you able to separate the political opinions of these people from their basic humanity? In other words, from another controversial topic, can you hate the sin but love the sinner?
I dislike his followers too. If someone promotes or endorses hate, they will get the same response from me.

TOLERANCE OF INTOLERANCE IS NOT TOLERANCE.
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Old 05-01-2016, 02:45 PM
 
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Moreover there is no shortage of Republicans who respect and affiliate with Trump openly, among them Chris Christie and Jeff Sessions. Again leftist media lies that the Bernie left slurps up.
The GOP wants nothing to do with him. Numerous corporate sponsors have pulled out of the RNC. Most of the Republicans themselves are skipping the convention. The GOP's unfavorability is the highest its been in 30 years yet you cite the endorsement of a failed governor who has a 20% approval rating and a lone senator.

This is all culminating in a disaster for the GOP
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