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If you're not suggesting we let in people that want to harm us and it's common knowledge there are Muslims that want to harm us, what is your solution ? Sounds like you'd let them all in and take our chances ... or if you're in favor of a better vetting system, then a temporary ban is a good thing until a proper vetting system is in place. DHS should able to figure out how the vetting system will work.
And where have I suggested that most Muslim-Americans are peaceful ? I really don't know the crime rate for Muslim-Americans for they are Americans. Some have been here for decades, become Westernized to a point, and don't think like the radical group ISIS currently infesting Syria.
And what is an American-liking person ? You're all over the map dude ...
They want to establish sharia law and support doing violent things to people.
A temporary blanket Muslim ban is not necessary since we already know that Shia and Kurd and Druze Muslims have never launched a single terrorist attack on the US. If you are going to launch a temporary ban, then at least focus down on the Wahhabists and other sects that have at least some history of terrorist attacks on the US.
And how do you accomplish this when someone arrives in customs with a Syrian or Saudi or Yemeni passport ? Is their religious sect printed on their passport or visa ?
And I'm still waiting for a response as to why your'e not willing to reduce/remove the freedoms and rights of pre-existing Americans, considering the aforementioned 150,000 death toll that American murderers have brought us since 9/11.
It's just an objective fact that the average American is far, far more likely to be murdered by another Christian American than some Muslim terrorist. The threat level is not even remotely comparable. Christian Americans are the biggest perpetrators of homicide in this country by a huge factor. If your logic is that "Muslims shouldn't be allowed in because some Muslims want to harm Americans", why in the world would you not apply that same logic to Christian Americans who have piled up 150,000 corpses in the past 15 years, and more than 500,000 corpses in the past 40? Why the heck not?
I have actually been shot at and nearly killed by an American a few years ago as I was driving through a low-income neighborhood. The likelihood that he was Christian is extremely high. Going by your logic, should I be attempting to reduce the Christian population in this country?
And how do you accomplish this when someone arrives in customs with a Syrian or Saudi or Yemeni passport ? Is their religious sect printed on their passport or visa ?
Trump says he will offer them a pulled-pork sandwich and a cold beer.
And how do you accomplish this when someone arrives in customs with a Syrian or Saudi or Yemeni passport ? Is their religious sect printed on their passport or visa ?
Have you thought about what you're saying at all? If this is a limitation of MY discrimination system, how does YOUR discrimination system plan to figure this out?
In other words, lots of Muslims would be impossible to identify as Muslims unless they literally volunteer this information up. Most Muslim men have no identifying physical marks that suggest they are Muslim at all. And many Muslim women do not wear a hijab.
So at this point are you suggesting we just be racist and assume all Arabs are Muslims, and just throw the Christian Arabs into that pot too?
One would think that US security agencies could at the very least attempt to find some biographical paper trail of some sort linking Kurdish and Shia Muslims the sects they claim to belong to. Hell, Kurdish people literally speak a different language so that should be a big sign.
And I'm still waiting for a response as to why your'e not willing to reduce/remove the freedoms and rights of pre-existing Americans, considering the aforementioned 150,000 death toll that American murderers have brought us since 9/11.
It's just an objective fact that the average American is far, far more likely to be murdered by another Christian American than some Muslim terrorist. The threat level is not even remotely comparable. Christian Americans are the biggest perpetrators of homicide in this country by a huge factor. If your logic is that "Muslims shouldn't be allowed in because some Muslims want to harm Americans", why in the world would you not apply that same logic to Christian Americans who have piled up 150,000 corpses in the past 15 years, and more than 500,000 corpses in the past 40? Why the heck not?
I have actually been shot at and nearly killed by an American a few years ago as I was driving through a low-income neighborhood. The likelihood that he was Christian is extremely high. Going by your logic, should I be attempting to reduce the Christian population in this country?
Simply because pre-existing Americans are just that ... Americans. American citizens.
Muslims to want to come here from overseas are not Americans. And if there are Muslim-Americans plotting to kill us, there's nothing I can do to stop it, but I can prevent future Muslim killers from emigrating here by simply stopping them at the border.
So now we have yet another weakness in the Trump proposal to ban Muslims. Any Arab could literally pretend to be Christian by just saying so whenever an immigration official asks them what religion they are.
How in the world are you going to prevent ISIS members from pretending to be Christian? HOW?
I myself can pretend to be Christian at a moment's notice. Pick up a Bible, slap a crucifix on my chest. Bam. Done. I'm Christian.
Simply because pre-existing Americans are just that ... Americans. American citizens.
Muslims to want to come here from overseas are not Americans. And if there are Muslim-Americans plotting to kill us, there's nothing I can do to stop it, but I can prevent future Muslim killers from emigrating here by simply stopping them at the border.
So it doesn't have anything to do with safety vs freedom but how you can legally discriminate against people as much as possible?
Because to me, common sense would dictate that Muslim Americans used to be non-Americans. So you're really spitting in the faces of the same people, just trying to find loopholes as to who you can spit at.
Have you thought about what you're saying at all? If this is a limitation of MY discrimination system, how does YOUR discrimination system plan to figure this out?
In other words, lots of Muslims would be impossible to identify as Muslims unless they literally volunteer this information up. Most Muslim men have no identifying physical marks that suggest they are Muslim at all. And many Muslim women do not wear a hijab.
So at this point are you suggesting we just be racist and assume all Arabs are Muslims, and just throw the Christian Arabs into that pot too?
One would think that US security agencies could at the very least attempt to find some biographical paper trail of some sort linking Kurdish and Shia Muslims the sects they claim to belong to. Hell, Kurdish people literally speak a different language so that should be a big sign.
I'm suggesting we end this discussion and if believing a temporary ban on Muslims is a racist act, then I'm a racist.
Re: ISIS members pretending to be Christian. I think there's actually a lot of terrorist attacks in Shia communities where ISIS members pretend to be a Shia person and then blow themselves up in the middle of a Shia crowd, killing dozens of people.
So at this point we can't even ban Muslims. We have to ban Arabs. Otherwise we're just inviting the inevitable ISIS member who will pretend to be Christian to get into the US.
And we can't stop with the Arabs, probably. Any Chechnyen Muslim could pretend to be Christian or atheist too. And the Filipino Muslim extremists can do the same.
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