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To be frank, yes that is exactly what I mean. Trump and Obama have identical campaigns: Hope and Change / Make America Great Again, "insurgent" candidates who play up their rock star personas to rally huge crowds, grand promises without specific details of how they'll get things done.
I want to alert you to something very important about Trump. You are absolutely correct, he is an egomaniac. (And that's an understatement.) You basically make the case that Trump's ego is too big to fail, that Trump won't let you down because his ego couldn't take such embarrassment. Here is what will really happen. President Trump will do whatever the hell he wants, and no matter the outcome he will tell you everything is Great because he made it Great. Right now he is on his "trash America" tour. "We don't win anymore, we have no military, we suck at trade, we suck at life, blah blah blah." When he takes over, he will launch the propaganda: "Everything is Great Again! The economy is Great! The military is Great! Everyone is happy! And it is all because of me!" His ego is not based on you getting what you want, his ego is based on him getting what he wants. The rest is just propaganda. And if anyone dares to challenge the propaganda (uh... actually Mr. Trump, things have gotten a lot worse since you took office..) he will use his strongman tactics to silence dissenters.
Thank of it this way, you are saying that Trump's ego is too big to fail, that his huge ego will make him keep his promises to you. Trump's companies have failed and gone bankrupt multiple times, which by definition means he did not follow through on his promises. His ego was not big enough to prevent him from failing, nor was it big enough to prevent him from making promises he couldn't keep. But to this day, he will insist that his business record is flawless and he will argue that bankrupting businesses is the Greatest, smartest, best thing you can do. He says bankrupting his businesses proves he is the Greatest, best businessman that ever lived!
I would not take issue with people calling Trump an average businessman. That's probably pretty accurate.
Well then you should probably go back and edit what I quoted, because using his business failures as an excuse holds no water. Average or slightly above, but you are using it as a way to point out how bad he is.
To be frank, yes that is exactly what I mean. Trump and Obama have identical campaigns: Hope and Change / Make America Great Again, "insurgent" candidates who play up their rock star personas to rally huge crowds, grand promises without specific details of how they'll get things done.
I want to alert you to something very important about Trump. You are absolutely correct, he is an egomaniac. (And that's an understatement.) You basically make the case that Trump's ego is too big to fail, that Trump won't let you down because his ego couldn't take such embarrassment. Here is what will really happen. President Trump will do whatever the hell he wants, and no matter the outcome he will tell you everything is Great because he made it Great. Right now he is on his "trash America" tour. "We don't win anymore, we have no military, we suck at trade, we suck at life, blah blah blah." When he takes over, he will launch the propaganda: "Everything is Great Again! The economy is Great! The military is Great! Everyone is happy! And it is all because of me!" His ego is not based on you getting what you want, his ego is based on him getting what he wants. The rest is just propaganda. And if anyone dares to challenge the propaganda (uh... actually Mr. Trump, things have gotten a lot worse since you took office..) he will use his strongman tactics to silence dissenters.
Thank of it this way, you are saying that Trump's ego is too big to fail, that his huge ego will make him keep his promises to you. Trump's companies have failed and gone bankrupt multiple times, which by definition means he did not follow through on his promises. His ego was not big enough to prevent him from failing, nor was it big enough to prevent him from making promises he couldn't keep. But to this day, he will insist that his business record is flawless and he will argue that bankrupting businesses is the Greatest, smartest, best thing you can do. He says bankrupting his businesses proves he is the Greatest, best businessman that ever lived!
Do you have a crystal ball?
You have no idea as to how a Trump presidency will turn out---neither do I. However, I am more than willing to give him a chance. We can't go on with the status quo anymore. Too much is at stake and I want better for my descendants.
Nothing you said will make me or millions of other people change our minds.
As for the bankruptcies---this has been hashed over and over again and explained over and over again. You are beating a dead horse with this. Many companies have gone into bankruptcy over the years and emerged stronger for it.
We haven't had a perfect candidate...ever. I noticed how you failed to say whom you are going to vote for and if you think that s/he is perfect. Whomever it is you support, I could come up with lots of reasons to not vote for him/her. All politicians are narcissists. That's nothing new.
Well then you should probably go back and edit what I quoted, because using his business failures as an excuse holds no water. Average or slightly above, but you are using it as a way to point out how bad he is.
No, I wasn't using the bankruptcies as a way to "point out how bad he is." I brought up his bankruptcies as a way to illustrate that Trump's ego is not 'too big to fail'. Another poster had suggested that Trump's ego is so big that there is no way he won't follow through on his promises. The bankruptcies show that in fact his ego did not prevent him from going back on promises and that furthermore when he does break promises he uses propaganda techniques to twist his failures into pronouncements of Greatness and success.
No, I wasn't using the bankruptcies as a way to "point out how bad he is." I brought up his bankruptcies as a way to illustrate that Trump's ego is not 'too big to fail'. Another poster had suggested that Trump's ego is so big that there is no way he won't follow through on his promises. The bankruptcies show that in fact his ego did not prevent him from going back on promises and that furthermore when he does break promises he uses propaganda techniques to twist his failures into pronouncements of Greatness and success.
Bankruptcy is a legal protection that both borrowers and lenders are completely (or should be) aware of when they get into business ventures. They are legally presided over with legal consequences if not properly done, so its still a faulty argument.
Honestly if he wins nothing much will change. He'll probably make better deals for the country internationally and factory workers here will have a lot more jobs, but day to day life for most people will just go on as usual
I think it is a fantasy to think that Trump, who has no experience in international relations, will get better "deals" than career diplomats.
You have no idea as to how a Trump presidency will turn out---neither do I. However, I am more than willing to give him a chance. We can't go on with the status quo anymore. Too much is at stake and I want better for my descendants.
Actually, there is literally decades of evidence regarding how Trump run things. And k9coach nailed it. Trump has consistently made big promises and failed to live up to it... but it's never his fault.
You can take a chance on Trump, it's a free country. But it's nitwit to say he won't fail when he had consistently done so. In fact, outside of real estate and TV, he hasn't shown he can run anything.
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Nothing you said will make me or millions of other people change our minds.
If you insist on voting for a buffoon, that's your right.
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As for the bankruptcies---this has been hashed over and over again and explained over and over again. You are beating a dead horse with this. Many companies have gone into bankruptcy over the years and emerged stronger for it.
The point isn't that many companies filed for bankruptcy, the point is that Trump had a history of failure (and also success). Successful business don't file for bankruptcies. You can't say he is a guy who has always achieved what he promised when he had shown multiple times he failed to live up to his promises.
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We haven't had a perfect candidate...ever. I noticed how you failed to say whom you are going to vote for and if you think that s/he is perfect. Whomever it is you support, I could come up with lots of reasons to not vote for him/her. All politicians are narcissists. That's nothing new.
No, many past presidents are egotists but narcissists are in a whole different league. You don't really want a narcissists running your country.
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Bankruptcy is a legal protection that both borrowers and lenders are completely (or should be) aware of when they get into business ventures. They are legally presided over with legal consequences if not properly done, so its still a faulty argument.
That's irrelevant.
The point is that Trump promised success and failed to deliver. Whether or not bankruptcies are legal is not the point.
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