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Old 02-14-2008, 04:59 PM
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Nice try Obama. It sure would be refreshing to see a politician not resorting the "old style Politics" Sen. Obama.

FactCheck.org: They've Got You Covered?

"I hear Obama saying he's got universal coverage, he’s just wrong," says John Sheils, senior vice president of The Lewin Group, a politically neutral health care research organization"I don't know of anyone who studies this issue that would consider his plan to be universal coverage. You might call it universal access to coverage ... but the distinction Clinton is drawing here is correct

"Frankly, we also found the 15 million number to be "dubious" last November when Clinton used it in a debate. Her campaign said at the time she based her claim on a column by The New Republic’s Jonathan Cohn.

However, Gruber says the 15 million figure is reasonable and perhaps even too low. He told us that he estimates roughly that Obama's plan would cover about two-thirds of the currently uninsured, which would imply that just over 15 million people would not gain coverage."

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Old 02-14-2008, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
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You calling him a liar? You are just itching for more negative reps.

Of course he's lying. He's a politician. And a Democrat. Remember the last one?

edit: yes, I know. Bush has Clinton beat by a light year.
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Old 02-15-2008, 03:32 PM
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Obama Camp misrepresents factcheck.org on his "factcheck" site:


"Clinton Uses A Dubious Statistic When She Claims Obama's Plan Would Leave Out 15 Million Of The Uninsured." FactCheck.org reported, "Clinton uses a dubious statistic when she claims Obama's plan would leave out 15 million of the uninsured…Clinton based her claim on a column by The New Republic's Jonathan Cohn, who loosely estimated Obama's plan would leave 15 million uninsured…Cohn makes it clear here that he is offering an estimate based on the best information available, not a hard and fast calculation. And the best available information doesn't always agree."
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The FULL quote is here:
"Frankly, we also found the number to be "dubious" last November when Clinton used it in a debate. Her campaign said at the time she based her claim on a column by The New Republic’s Jonathan Cohn
However, Gruber says the 15 million figure is reasonable and perhaps even too low. He told us that he estimates roughly that Obama's plan would cover about two-thirds of the currently uninsured, which would imply that just over 15 million people would not gain coverage"
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Old 02-15-2008, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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You know, instead of bashing Obama all the time, it would be a nice idea if you extolled the virtues of Hillary. Or doesn't she have any?
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Old 02-15-2008, 04:20 PM
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You know, instead of bashing Obama all the time, it would be a nice idea if you extolled the virtues of Hillary. Or doesn't she have any?
First of all, I am not "bashing" Obama. I am pointing out his misstatements, lies and connection to corrupt entities.

I also repeatedly point out Hillary's strong suits and ideas and will continue doing so. When we do that, we just get bashed for being "uneducated" and told that "Obama rules!". See, it's a lose-lose situation when we try to have any form of civil discourse with Obama people.

Stay tuned for the next action-packed BVH threads. I know that my faithful detractors will be waiting in the wings to tear them to shreds.
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Old 02-15-2008, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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First of all, I am not "bashing" Obama. I am pointing out his misstatements, lies and connection to corrupt entities.
Semantics an argument do not make. (Yoda-style speak adds to the importance of the statement)

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Stay tuned for the next action-packed BVH threads. I know that my faithful detractors will be waiting in the wings to tear them to shreds.
Real action-packed here. Six posts, three by you. I'm not "bashing" your thread, just pointing out its lameness.
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Old 02-16-2008, 12:04 AM
 
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You know, instead of bashing Obama all the time, it would be a nice idea if you extolled the virtues of Hillary. Or doesn't she have any?
She has plenty which I fear to post
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