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Old 05-12-2016, 09:19 AM
 
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yep exactly.

And no, Hillary supporters are not complacent about the general election. As a matter of fact, they worry that the longer Bernie is being an obstinate fool who hypocritically thinks he's entitled to a nomination despite getting beaten by VOTES and PLEDGED delegates, and continues to work his supporters up into a frenzy of disrespect if not outright hatred for the Democratic nominee, he is going to bear major responsibility for creating an environment that leads to the election of Donald Trump. And yes, it will be on his head if he doesn't start changing this.
I am starting to hear Republican pundits make this argument as well. That the longer Sanders stays in; the more help he is to Donald Trump. But I think the Bern sees this as his 'last stand'. Why he waited until age 4 to 'start the revolution' is beyond me.

Should Trump win - I think we can all look back at Sander's complete disregard for anything other than his own ego ~ boosted by the likes of Jeff Weaver and Tad Davine.

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The problem with your argument is that Hillary has received millions more votes than Bernie. Millions.
Well, that poster never lets a little math get in the way.

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Not sure how your math works but my math says Hillary has 1716 to Bernie's 1433. That's 283 more, or 20% of 1433.

And she's 143 delegates away from getting 2383 and the majority of all delegates, and she will be the nominee.

Not going to repeat what I just posted to you on another thread, but this argument of yours is the only weak thing going around, not Hillary's candidacy.
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Old 05-12-2016, 09:21 AM
 
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The fact of the matter is that Hillary is doing absolutely terrible compared to Bernie among independents,
You missed the memo. Hillary is running for the nomination of the Democratic party. Not the Independent party.
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Old 05-12-2016, 09:26 AM
 
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Not sure how your math works but my math says Hillary has 1716 to Bernie's 1433. That's 283 more, or 20% of 1433.
Nope.

The difference between Bernie & Hillary is just 6.91% of pledged delegates. Proof below.....

Pledged Delegates
  • Hillary Clinton - 1717
  • Bernie Sanders - 1437
Needed to Win
  • Needed - 2,383
Available Delegates
  • Remaining Primaries - 897
  • Super Delegates - 714


Total pledged delegates = 1717 + 1437 + 897 = 4,051


Difference between Hillary/Bernie 1717 - 1437 = 280


(280/4051) x 100 = 6.91% of total pledged delegates. Just as I said.


Hillary is a very weak, flawed candidate if this is all she can accomplish given her advantages and endless funding from Wall Street.
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Old 05-12-2016, 09:26 AM
 
Location: DFW
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Hillary may get the nomination but losing so much before the convention is terrible.
She better win California big time or it will be a huge embarrassment.

Sad that such a weak candidate can get the nomination.
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Old 05-12-2016, 09:51 AM
 
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Hillary may get the nomination but losing so much before the convention is terrible.
She better win California big time or it will be a huge embarrassment.

Sad that such a weak candidate can get the nomination.
How is she weak? The caucus states Bernie sanders won with so little votes netted so many delegates. For example, she won the Nebraska primary which had way more voters voting than the caucus sanders won.

How is Hillary weak? Hillary handily won most of the biggest states against 2 term president Obama : California, New York, Texas, Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Indiana, Arizona

She has won even MORE big states against Sanders like New York, Texas, Florida, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Ohio, North Carolina, Maryland, Georgia, Massachusetts, Virginia, Arizona
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Old 05-12-2016, 12:04 PM
 
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How is she weak? The caucus states Bernie sanders won with so little votes netted so many delegates. For example, she won the Nebraska primary which had way more voters voting than the caucus sanders won.
We don't know the votes that Bernie got in the caucus states. The DNC won't release the vote totals.
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Old 05-12-2016, 12:13 PM
 
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We don't know the votes that Bernie got in the caucus states. The DNC won't release the vote totals.
The results were in actual votes with the exception of 5 states: Washington Iowa Nevada Maine and Alaska
Democratic Convention 2016

Party also released number of participants in Washington caucus : over 230k, so its less than 240k
2016 Democratic Caucuses | Washington State Democratic Party

Washington is largest caucus state and deep blue state with 101 pledged delegates but only 240K participants, which is way less than Louisiana primary (red state) which 311k voted
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Old 05-12-2016, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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The DNC chairmen herself said that the super delegates were there to prevent grass roots candidate from getting into office. Hillary is so unpopular, a system rigged in her favor (can barely I should say) get her nominated.
No she didnt, that is your personal interpretation of what she said.
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Old 05-12-2016, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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We don't know the votes that Bernie got in the caucus states. The DNC won't release the vote totals.
we do know caucus attendance, and it totaled a small amount, just a few hundred thousand. It doesn't change Hillary's massive popular vote lead.
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Old 05-12-2016, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Nope.

The difference between Bernie & Hillary is just 6.91% of pledged delegates. Proof below.....

Pledged Delegates
  • Hillary Clinton - 1717
  • Bernie Sanders - 1437
Needed to Win
  • Needed - 2,383
Available Delegates
  • Remaining Primaries - 897
  • Super Delegates - 714


Total pledged delegates = 1717 + 1437 + 897 = 4,051


Difference between Hillary/Bernie 1717 - 1437 = 280


(280/4051) x 100 = 6.91% of total pledged delegates. Just as I said.


Hillary is a very weak, flawed candidate if this is all she can accomplish given her advantages and endless funding from Wall Street.

Sure, 7% of TOTAL delegates. But not total of what someone needs to get the nomination. Hillary has 85% of the 2026 required to get a majority of pledged delegates. Bernie has only 70% and he needs 105% of what's left to get a majority. Obviously that won't happen.

But here's a news flash, no one has to get 100% of total delegates. The reality is that Hillary is leading by hundreds of pledged delegates and millions of votes. Regardless of how many times you repeat the claim that she is weak, it doesn't make it any more true. Seriously, find some new material because your claim just looks more foolish every time you make it.
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