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Old 05-13-2016, 04:54 AM
 
Location: The Island of Misfit Toys
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Considering Trump I see.
Options are nice aren't they?
If Trump was a Democrat, he would have ran as a Democrat. But he knew his extremism would get nowhere in the Democratic Party.

It's conservatives and the current trends in conservatist thought that created Trump the presidential candidate and gave him a platform.

Conservatives lifted Trump into the powerful and threatening political position he is in now.

He's all yours, conservatives.
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Old 05-13-2016, 05:03 AM
 
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Are there any republicans/conservatives who are ready to admit their fundamental ideas for the direction to move this country was wrong and liberal ideals have been right all along?

Or do you need more time?
Well I am not a conservative but then again, neither is Trump so we can put that aside for a minute.
We have TWO really crappy, distasteful candidates in BOTH of the major parties this year. I'm not sure how exactly how these two poor choices elevate one ideology over the other.

Actually, I am pissed at the republicans (both the party and the base) or elevating such a loser and a clown as a representation of their party not BECAUSE I think liberal ideology and it's fundamental ideas are great for this country but because now we are almost guaranteed another four years of them.

Not only are we pretty much guaranteed another four years of liberal idiocy, it's actually the more palatable option compared to "President Trump". That scares the crap out of me.

But this is in NO way a testimonial to the liberal ideology, don't flatter yourselves.
The best thing I can hope for right now, is Hillary wins the general, the Republicans clean house and do some soul searching to find an electable candidate or perhaps a viable third party rises up so that when the country gets so sick and tired of liberalism and the ideology you are so fond of, we have a viable alternative.

With these two crappy choices, I take an alternative view:

Then best thing that happen for republicans, for the long game, is if Hillary wins.
The best thing that can happen for democrats, for the long game, is if Trump wins.
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Old 05-13-2016, 05:14 AM
 
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The Democrats and Republicans have failed miserably -- as have all the other labels (libertarian, tea party, conservative, progressive, liberal, left).

They've given us wars we don't even try to win, virtually open borders, a flood of cheap immigrant labor into this country when we don't have jobs for citizens, political correctness run amok, racial pandering and division, crony capitalism, bought-and-paid-for politicians, a national debt approaching $20 trillion, housing and dot com bubbles, offshoring of jobs, onerous regulations, wasteful government spending, etc.

So the voters are wisely going in a new direction.

That direction points to Trump.

And, of course, a lot of people are upset by this -- the wise pundits and professors who have told us what to think, the politicians and their lobbyists, the media, everyone with a stake in the failed state of affairs that has brought us to this point. So the vitriol directed at Trump will continue and intensify. And his supporters won't care.

There's a saying that "nothing succeeds like success."

Its corollary is, "nothing fails like failure" -- and people are no longer interested in being led by failures (who also happen to be thieves, liars, hypocrites and phonies).

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Old 05-13-2016, 06:40 AM
Status: ""a mind that understands science"" (set 11 days ago)
 
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Are there any republicans/conservatives who are ready to admit their fundamental ideas for the direction to move this country was wrong and liberal ideals have been right all along?

Or do you need more time?

I don't care about party labels. Trump is a conservative regarding fiscal policy, trade and immigration and more "liberal" with regard to not being a hawk and not delving into social issues.

That combination is my ideal candidate, regardless of party.
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Old 05-13-2016, 06:53 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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I don't care about party labels. Trump is a conservative regarding fiscal policy, trade and immigration and more "liberal" with regard to not being a hawk and not delving into social issues.

That combination is my ideal candidate, regardless of party.
How can you say that Trump doesn't want to get into social issues when he says he'll work to see Roe vs. Wade overturned? How can you say he's not a hawk when he wants to build the military up and won't take nuclear weapons off the table and wants to bring back torture that breaks international laws? He also says he loves debt. How is that fiscally conservative?
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Old 05-13-2016, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Center City, Philadelphia
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How can you say that Trump doesn't want to get into social issues when he says he'll work to see Roe vs. Wade overturned? How can you say he's not a hawk when he wants to build the military up and won't take nuclear weapons off the table and wants to bring back torture that breaks international laws? He also says he loves debt. How is that fiscally conservative?
100% agree. Actually knowing your candidates position is pretty critical.
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Old 05-14-2016, 12:09 AM
 
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Trump doesn't make social issues a priority, and he really isn't interested in them at all.

As for building up the military, that's not being a hawk. That's just meeting your responsibility to enable this country to defend itself.

Who has ever seriously proposed "taking nuclear weapons off the table"?

No one in either political party.

Trump's policy is to reduce the national debt -- regardless of your claim that he says he loves debt.

People in real estate use debt to leverage their investments.

That is probably what he was talking about, but of course you don't provide the context.

Torture? Our enemies use it. So to me, it's a non-issue.
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Old 05-14-2016, 12:28 AM
 
Location: A house
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since oranges exist, are you willing to admit that baseball is really a war between very small flying insects and overly large ocean based mammals?


Or do you need more time?






My question makes as much sense as yours.
Actually, your question makes far more sense than shankster's. Far more.
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