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Old 05-13-2016, 11:04 PM
 
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I'm not convinced Bernie or Hillary will be the nominee.


I think the Authoritarian in Chief wants to hand pick the nominee.
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Old 05-13-2016, 11:07 PM
 
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Sorry but superdelegates do count. I realize you are not a long term democrat and probably didn't follow prior primaries and conventions, but that's how it works. SDs can of course change their mind but there is no indication that they are going to, particularly not when Hillary will have well in excess of the majority of pledged delegates. The SDs have never overturned the will of the electorate as expressed via the pledged delegate count. "
If they award Hillary the win with Bernie less then 100 away on June 7th I will never vote for any Democrat again.
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Old 05-13-2016, 11:08 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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I'm not convinced Bernie or Hillary will be the nominee.


I think the Authoritarian in Chief wants to hand pick the nominee.
I think if Obama had his druthers, Joe Biden would be the nominee. But no one is going to go against the Clinton juggernaut.
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Old 05-13-2016, 11:17 PM
 
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It you don't count Hillary's superdelegates than that's GREAT which means she only needs 2026 to clinch the threshold for pledged delegates, and there are 897 left so she will certainly reach that threshold


It's a far stretched spin to not count her superdelegates but say she needs to reach 2383 delegates which includes superdelegates.
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Old 05-13-2016, 11:19 PM
 
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I think if Obama had his druthers, Joe Biden would be the nominee. But no one is going to go against the Clinton juggernaut.
He's got her dangling on a slender thread with the indictment axe over her head.
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Old 05-13-2016, 11:21 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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If they award Hillary the win with Bernie less then 100 away on June 7th I will never vote for any Democrat again.
While I think it will not be that close, even if Hillary has less than 100 more pledged delegates, that's still more than Bernie. That's called winning the nomination, not being awarded a win. Bernie is the only one suggesting that the convention award him a nomination he hasn't won by getting the most delegates.

If the fact that someone besides your preferred candidate wins by getting more votes and more delegates means you won't ever vote for that party again, you are going to run out of parties pretty soon.

btw, Obama had just over 100 delegates more than Hillary in 2008. Guess you know how that turned out....
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Old 05-13-2016, 11:27 PM
 
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Still feel the Party should go for a Contested Convention. They should at least look at what Sanders accomplishments have been this Primary season. Look at how many States Sanders won, his momentum, and his large pool of Independent voters. Then reach out to Sanders if they don't pick him, work with him, figure how they can unite the Party, and encourage his voters to vote for Hillary if she is the nominee.
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Old 05-13-2016, 11:29 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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There is contested conventions where Party delegates look at each candidate. They should look at how many States Sanders won, his momentum, and his large pool of Independent voters.
It's rigged against Sanders. The Washington elite doesn't care about real Americans.
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Old 05-13-2016, 11:40 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Still feel the Party should go for a Contested Convention. They should at least look at what Sanders accomplishments have been this Primary season. Look at how many States Sanders won, his momentum, and his large pool of Independent voters. Then reach out to Sanders if they don't pick him, work with him, figure how they can unite the Party, and encourage his voters to vote for Hillary if she is the nominee.
ok, for the sake of argument, say Bernie pulls out an amazing victory and ends up with more pledged delegates. At that point, I assume you will be perfectly ok with Hillary going to the superdelegates and making her case that they should vote for her anyway, and that she should get to demand to control what the platform is, so that she'll encourage her voters to vote for him. Is that correct? Because that's what the person with fewer pledged delegates is entitled to do, right?
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Old 05-13-2016, 11:41 PM
 
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While I think it will not be that close, even if Hillary has less than 100 more pledged delegates, that's still more than Bernie. That's called winning the nomination, not being awarded a win. Bernie is the only one suggesting that the convention award him a nomination he hasn't won by getting the most delegates.

If the fact that someone besides your preferred candidate wins by getting more votes and more delegates means you won't ever vote for that party again, you are going to run out of parties pretty soon.

btw, Obama had just over 100 delegates more than Hillary in 2008. Guess you know how that turned out....
avoid saying "even if Hillary has less than 100 more pledged delegates" because that gives them more hope and come up with more spins. Hillary will unlikely collapse to this delegate lead, her campaign is focusing on California New Jersey and Kentucky which I think she will likely win
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