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[quote=Smash255;44065241]This is basically my understanding of what took place in Nevada.
1. There is a multi-step process for the statewide delegates, the Congressional district delegates are decided based off the initial Caucus vote.
2. Clinton led the initial count on Caucus night on both the statewide and Congressional level and had an estimated 20-15 delegate advantage.
3. Sanders picked up ground on the 2nd round of balloting at the County Conventions, the Congressional district delegates were tied to the initial Caucus, but two statewide delegates flipped in Bernie's favor and the estimate changed to 18-17 Clinton
4. More Sanders supporters showed up to the state Convention, supporters from both sides were disqualiied, but considerdly more Sanders supporters were disqualified. Those who were deemed to be qualified narrowly went to Clinton and the 2 delegates that were flipped at the County Conventions went back to Clinton and she wound up with the 20-15 advantage she had initially.
5. Those who were deemed to be disqualified are supposed to be given a chance to show why there votes should count and why they are qualified. This was not followed and was the primary cause of the raucus.[/QUOTE]
This is basically my understanding of what took place in Nevada.
1. There is a multi-step process for the statewide delegates, the Congressional district delegates are decided based off the initial Caucus vote.
2. Clinton led the initial count on Caucus night on both the statewide and Congressional level and had an estimated 20-15 delegate advantage.
3. Sanders picked up ground on the 2nd round of balloting at the County Conventions, the Congressional district delegates were tied to the initial Caucus, but two statewide delegates flipped in Bernie's favor and the estimate changed to 18-17 Clinton
4. More Sanders supporters showed up to the state Convention, supporters from both sides were disqualiied, but considerdly more Sanders supporters were disqualified. Those who were deemed to be qualified narrowly went to Clinton and the 2 delegates that were flipped at the County Conventions went back to Clinton and she wound up with the 20-15 advantage she had initially.
5. Those who were deemed to be disqualified are supposed to be given a chance to show why there votes should count and why they are qualified. This was not followed and was the primary cause of the raucus.[/QUOTE]
So indeed the fix is in.
Not really, six of the 64 were allowed after all, sanders supporters may be spreading lies that they weren't allowed to be questioned.
Besides, when rules aren't in favour of sanders, sanders will say it's undemocratic and demand rules not to be followed (like the superdelegates system)
On the other hand, when rules are in favour of Sanders, sanders supporters will strictly follow the rules even if it jeopardizes democracy (overturn voters wills on caucus Election Day)
Sanders supporters are indeed very hypocritical...
Obviously that government fattened woman declaring that she was the King of the Convention and thus, could not be challenged, obviously was rigging it for Hillary.
Well..... This is the only way that Hillary can win elections. It started in Iowa, and it continues on.
How anyone could support this woman for President is beyond me.
Sanders supporters thought because of the convention last month that they would sweep in and poach extra delegates is all. That's what they are really mad about here. I can only imagine how they would react if Hillary tried to do the same thing in Washington state.
The Credentials Committee for the Clark County Democratic Convention determines who exactly qualifies as a bona fide delegate in the event an unelected alternate steps in to become an official delegate. The committee is made up of four members appointed by Clark County Democratic Party Chair Chris Miller, with two representatives for Hillary Clinton and two representatives for Bernie Sanders in the interest of fairness.
On Friday night, accusations of cheating came from both sides, which resulted in the attempted removal of credential committee chair Christine Kramar.
“We caught the Hillary campaign cheating, we caught the Nevada Democratic Party secretary cheating,” said Angie Sullivan, another member of the credentials committee for the Clark County Democratic Convention. “When it was apparent Bernie started winning, they really turned up the heat.”
When Sanders began his campaign, as he often recounts, he had virtually no national name recognition and trailed Clinton by 60 to 70 points in national polls. The major media barely breathed his name, even when he began drawing crowds of 20,000 or more to summer rallies. This was partly the result of the obsession with Trump, but also because the conglomerates controlling the media hardly wanted to promote such a fierce critic of Wall Street and the 1 percent.
2. They’re Debating When?
Ironically, unlike the Republican National Committee, the DNC manipulated its debate schedule to have the fewest number of debates at the worst times, intended to minimize voter viewing, including setting them on holiday weekends and the Saturday night before Christmas.
3. Sanders Booms, Media Works to Marginalize
As the votes began coming in for Bernie, especially with his big win in New Hampshire, Clinton surrogates were given extra time as TV analysts to downplay the results, and the media narrative shifted.
The media paradigm typically is crafted inside the Washington Beltway and New York boardrooms, with other reporters compelled by their own editors or self-censorship to follow along, a practice also known as pack journalism.
4. Vote Rigging
After Sanders’ sweeping win in New Hampshire, the DNC went into hyper drive to break his momentum, starting in the next voting state Nevada.
Concerned Sanders would win Nevada, Sen. Harry Reid, the former Senate Majority Leader and most powerful elected official in Nevada, as it later emerged, arranged a plan with owners of Las Vegas casinos, where many caucuses were being held, and other employers, to ensure Clinton would win. The Nevada caucuses were then rigged with massive voting irregularities such as casino owners orchestrating which workers would be allowed to vote and, in clear intimidation, openly monitoring how they voted.
5. The Sexism Canard
Desperate for attack lines against Sanders, the Clinton camp and her adherents have tried to paint him as a sexist, employing the same tactic of exaggerated small slights they used against Barack Obama in 2008 (remember “you’re likeable enough”). Add in the clumsy effort of Clinton surrogates Gloria Steinem and Madeleine Albright to criticize young women who vote for Sanders.
Memo to Clinton and company: Bernie Sanders is not Donald Trump. He has a near perfect voting record on such issues as women’s reproductive rights and pay equity, and most of his proposals, especially Medicare-for-all, free college tuition, and expanding Social Security would disproportionately help women.
6. Undemocratic Primaries
Sanders has won the overwhelming majority of independent voters in “open” primaries or caucuses that allow them to vote.
Many Clinton surrogates have fulminated that any independent voters are allowed to participate in the Democratic Party nominating process. As if only the two major parties should be allowed to decide who can run for office while a record 43 percent of U.S. voters are now independents in a corrupted system. Winning the independents’ votes is decisive in general elections, suggesting they should have a voice in determining who are the strongest candidates.
7. Superdelegates Toe the Line
Enormous pressure was brought to bear on the some 700 superdelegates, mostly Democratic elected officials and other high-profile DNC members, to fall in line behind Clinton, facing intimidation or promises well honed by a Clinton machine that has had 25 years of practice.
An additional factor is the DNC decision to step up raking in cash from Wall Street and other corporate donors, and their implicit pledge to use those funds only for Democratic candidates who play ball by supporting Clinton.
8. Who’s Most Electable, Who Is Not
It’s repeated over and over by her superdelegates and the media—Clinton is the most electable candidate, and Democrats must rally behind her to beat Trump. The line has been so drummed into the narrative that many voters in exit polls cite it as the reason they voted for Clinton.
One problem: it’s not true. Virtually every poll for months has shown Sanders faring better against Trump, Cruz and Kasich than Clinton, often by a wide margin, even as the media has already played out the attack lines Republicans would use against Sanders.
9. The Math, the Math
The final defense for the Clinton camp and the major media, spinning out from the eastern media centers to local news outlets, is that Clinton is too far ahead in delegates so the race is over.
To strengthen the case, Clinton’s big margin among superdelegates is added to the total of delegates won in primaries and caucuses. Even though, unlike pledged delegates, superdelegates are not committed to their position. They can flip at will, as they did from Clinton to Obama in 2008.
Next time you hear a pundit say Sanders needs to win 60 percent of the remaining delegates, “and that just can’t happen,” consider his 80 percent margin in Idaho and Utah.
10. Forward to Victory
Sanders himself says the path to his nomination is challenging, but still within range. States that were the biggest hurdle, in the South where the Clintons have a long history and Sanders was a complete unknown, are all past.
The remaining states, including the two largest, California and New York, which have a base more favorable to Sanders, can be won with lots of delegates to be awarded. National polls have already shown substantial movement toward Sanders the past two months, and his edge over Clinton in head to head matchups with the remaining Republicans continues to grow.
Ohh god, these are what pathetic losers do, making up a list of bullcrap to justify your dear candidate's loss.
Hillary Clinton got unprecedented 18 million votes in 2008, handily beat 2 term president Obama across most big states in the country like California Texas New York Florida Pennsylvania Ohio New Jersey Massachusetts Arizona Indiana, but still didn't get nominated because Obama netted delegates in caucuses which had so little people voting
Caucuses disinfrenchise voters way more than closed primaries. Sanders won the caucus which only had 34k people voting while Hillary won the primary which had 78k people voting.
Most working class people have difficulties making to caucus sites at specific timeslots. However, Bernie Sanders sweeps through caucuses and gained much of his delegates from caucuses which are in no way in resemblance with the real democratic electorate. Bernie Sanders and his supporters have turned blind eye on rules that really suppress votes the most whenever results are favourable to them. Bernie Sanders and his supporters are really hypocritical in this regard. Without caucuses, Bernie sanders would not even have been competitive. Yes caucuses are rules from the party but so are closed primaries, yet the Sanders campaign have huge problems with closed primaries
Is Bernie sanders retarded or illiterate or a combination of both? Did he not fully read the whole system of the process before he joined the party last year? Regardless, he accepted the terms when he joined the party as his tool for his presidential ambition, and it's plain stupid and unreasonable to go back to complain about them.
If Bernie sanders respect democracy, they should understand that Hillary Clinton won the caucus held on February 20th and the delegates allocation last night was the same as caucus results.
Bernie supporters have been trying to flip delegates which carried voters' will, they were successful in Colorado and Maine
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