U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies > Elections
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 05-17-2016, 01:42 PM
Status: "Not quite my tempo" (set 22 days ago)
 
Location: Bran's tree
10,957 posts, read 4,816,363 times
Reputation: 12348

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by daylux View Post
4) He's pocketing campaign donations.
1) He promised to stay until the end to allow people of all states to have a right to vote, and he actually intends to keep his promise. Having only 1 candidate to vote for defeats the purpose of voting.

Yes, Hillary might be mathematically doomed to win, but why not fight the good fight and send a message that the current system is broken?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 05-17-2016, 01:49 PM
 
8,644 posts, read 4,660,272 times
Reputation: 2007
Quote:
Originally Posted by ohhwanderlust View Post
1) He promised to stay until the end to allow people of all states to have a right to vote, and he actually intends to keep his promise. Having only 1 candidate to vote for defeats the purpose of voting.

Yes, Hillary might be mathematically doomed to win, but why not fight the good fight and send a message that the current system is broken?
This
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-17-2016, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
27,187 posts, read 17,510,541 times
Reputation: 15393
Quote:
Originally Posted by ohhwanderlust View Post
1) He promised to stay until the end to allow people of all states to have a right to vote, and he actually intends to keep his promise. Having only 1 candidate to vote for defeats the purpose of voting.

Yes, Hillary might be mathematically doomed to win, but why not fight the good fight and send a message that the current system is broken?
As long as he hangs in there and continues to tear the party apart, more power to him.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-17-2016, 02:12 PM
 
Location: New York City
8,188 posts, read 6,217,834 times
Reputation: 5950
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake View Post
1) He's very, very bad at math
Quote:
Originally Posted by emm74 View Post
There are all kinds of ways of crunching the numbers.

If you go by just pledged delegates, there are 897 remaining. If you add 100% of those to Bernie's current 1433, then he gets to 2330 and cannot mathematically reach 2383 in pledged delegates alone, which is what the Sanders campaign has stated is the standard that Hillary needs to meet. So in that case, yes, he should drop out by being mathematically eliminated by the formula the Sanders campaign has been arguing needs to apply.
You are both bad at math, not Bernie Sanders. The super delegate total needs to be ignored until the primaries are concluded.

This is the current Democratic tally in pledged Delegates:

1,716 Hillary Clinton
1,433 Bernie Sanders

Sanders is 283 behind Clinton, and there are 930 REMAINING PRIMARY DELEGATES in 10 states and territories. In order for Sanders to come out on top, he needs to collect 608 out of 930 delegates (65.3%) which is very do-able, especially with Sanders' momentum in recent elections.

If Sanders comes into the convention with a majority of elected delegates, the super delegates will have a very uncomfortable decision to make. When push comes to shove, I seriously doubt they will alienate the entire voter base and basically hand the election over to Donald Trump and set the party back 8 or more years
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-17-2016, 02:17 PM
 
633 posts, read 459,597 times
Reputation: 1103
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlakeJones View Post

Sanders is 283 behind Clinton, and there are 930 REMAINING PRIMARY DELEGATES in 10 states and territories. In order for Sanders to come out on top, he needs to collect 608 out of 930 delegates (65.3%) which is very do-able, especially with Sanders' momentum in recent elections.

winning every remaining primary by 65-35 margins is "very do-able?" Especially with Clinton up by 10 points in California (548 delegates) and 20 points in New Jersey (142)?


That's either delusional or dishonest, I'm not sure which.


Quote:
Originally Posted by ohhwanderlust View Post
1) He promised to stay until the end to allow people of all states to have a right to vote, and he actually intends to keep his promise. Having only 1 candidate to vote for defeats the purpose of voting.

Yes, Hillary might be mathematically doomed to win, but why not fight the good fight and send a message that the current system is broken?
Pretty sure if that message hasn't sunken in by now, it isn't going to.


At this point all Sanders is doing is providing the GOP for ammunition and talking points to use in the general, dividing the democratic base further than it should be with inflammatory rhetoric, and diverting funds to his "campaign" that should honestly be better directed to downballot races in the house and senate for democrats to take back congress.


Hillary has been fundraising for congressional candidates for months. Bernie is "still thinking about it."


The race is absolutely worse with him continuing to run the way he is.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-17-2016, 02:22 PM
 
4,022 posts, read 1,841,639 times
Reputation: 3950
Quote:
Originally Posted by Burger Fan View Post
winning every remaining primary by 65-35 margins is "very do-able?" Especially with Clinton up by 10 points in California (548 delegates) and 20 points in New Jersey (142)?


That's either delusional or dishonest, I'm not sure which.
I think what he was getting at is this:

Needing to win 65% in the remaining states is a far cry from the dishonest premise of the thread which claims that he is "mathematically eliminated".
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-17-2016, 02:29 PM
 
10,803 posts, read 8,014,824 times
Reputation: 16980
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlakeJones View Post
Sanders is 283 behind Clinton, and there are 930 REMAINING PRIMARY DELEGATES in 10 states and territories. In order for Sanders to come out on top, he needs to collect 608 out of 930 delegates (65.3%) which is very do-able, especially with Sanders' momentum in recent elections.
After today's votes in KY and OR are tallied, it'll be a lot less doable. He'll need 70% of the delegates in the remaining 8 states including pro-Clinton NJ, DC, and CA.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-17-2016, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
21,001 posts, read 11,624,951 times
Reputation: 31846
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlakeJones View Post
You are both bad at math, not Bernie Sanders. The super delegate total needs to be ignored until the primaries are concluded.

This is the current Democratic tally in pledged Delegates:

1,716 Hillary Clinton
1,433 Bernie Sanders

Sanders is 283 behind Clinton, and there are 930 REMAINING PRIMARY DELEGATES in 10 states and territories. In order for Sanders to come out on top, he needs to collect 608 out of 930 delegates (65.3%) which is very do-able, especially with Sanders' momentum in recent elections.

If Sanders comes into the convention with a majority of elected delegates, the super delegates will have a very uncomfortable decision to make. When push comes to shove, I seriously doubt they will alienate the entire voter base and basically hand the election over to Donald Trump and set the party back 8 or more years
I'm not sure where you are getting 930 pledged delegates from

This is the only source I could find http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...ults.html?_r=0

But that number includes superdelegates. For instance, it says CA has 546, but that's 475 pledged plus 71 supers. So no, there are not 930 unpledged delegates remaining.

In case you were wondering, my 897 came from adding up all the remaining pledged delegates, including KY and OR, from the count on RCP.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 ? Democratic Delegate Count

Oh the irony of being insulted about math by someone who has the math completely wrong. And if you read my post that you quoted, I was using the 2383 number, because that is what the Sanders campaign has said Hillary needs to win, and out of solely pledged delegates. So if that's what she needs, then that's what Bernie needs. And there aren't enough pledged delegates outstanding for Bernie to reach that number. Using the definition of winning as espoused by the Sanders campaign (2383 pledged delegates) Bernie is in fact mathematically eliminated.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-17-2016, 02:34 PM
 
Location: New York City
8,188 posts, read 6,217,834 times
Reputation: 5950
Quote:
Originally Posted by biscuitmom View Post
After today's votes in KY and OR are tallied, it'll be a lot less doable. He'll need 70% of the delegates in the remaining 8 states including pro-Clinton NJ, DC, and CA.
Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Clinton is also facing a strong headwind with every new poll showing she's losing more and more of her lead over Trump
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-17-2016, 02:36 PM
 
Location: New York City
8,188 posts, read 6,217,834 times
Reputation: 5950
Quote:
Originally Posted by emm74 View Post
I'm not sure where you are getting 930 pledged delegates from
Virgin Islands 12
Puerto Rico 67
California 546
Montana 27
New Jersey 142
New Mexico 43
North Dakota 23
South Dakota 25
District of Columbia 45

that's 930, which does not include the delegates from today's scheduled primaries

edit: ok so I see that there's super delegates possibly wrapped up in there. Those obviously have to be pulled out to get an accurate number
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies > Elections
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top