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Old 05-21-2016, 07:24 AM
 
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The low fuel gauge light is on, Bernie is running on empty! Bernie isn't running a political campaign anymore, he's just wasting those poor people donations on a farewell tour.
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Old 05-21-2016, 07:30 AM
 
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It's not over 'til the fat lady sings.
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Old 05-21-2016, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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And thus it is APPOINTED delegates (superdelegates) who will ultimately determine the Democratic candidate.
This is undemocratic, classist, elitist and unacceptable.
<Who does the appointing of these very special people? Does the right pass from father to son (sarcasm) or is it based on net worth (not sarcasm.)>
Except this would only be the case if these undemocratic, classist, and elitist superdels hand Bernie the nomination. Otherwise they will be simply ratifying the votes of the majority of primary voters as demonstrated by the popular vote and pledged delegates. This is what the superdelegates have always done since they were created. Bernie is the only one suggesting they go against the person who will have a majority of pledged delegates.
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Old 05-21-2016, 08:48 AM
 
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Except this would only be the case if these undemocratic, classist, and elitist superdels hand Bernie the nomination. Otherwise they will be simply ratifying the votes of the majority of primary voters as demonstrated by the popular vote and pledged delegates. This is what the superdelegates have always done since they were created. Bernie is the only one suggesting they go against the person who will have a majority of pledged delegates.
You are wrong. Hillary had 500+ SDs committed to her PRIOR to the first vote being cast. If the SDs committment was truly to the will of the voters, no commitments would be made until the convention, not before
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Old 05-21-2016, 09:00 AM
 
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You are wrong. Hillary had 500+ SDs committed to her PRIOR to the first vote being cast. If the SDs committment was truly to the will of the voters, no commitments would be made until the convention, not before
She got 18 million votes in 2008 and didn't get nominated, Bernie right now barely has 10 mil, that tells u how strong she is
If she doesn't do well anymore the superdelegates can switch support
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Old 05-21-2016, 09:03 AM
 
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She got 18 million votes in 2008 and didn't get nominated, Bernie right now barely has 10 mil, that tells u how strong she is
If she doesn't do well anymore the superdelegates can switch support
But they aren't REQUIRED to switch....so spare us the reasoning they are only there to reinforce the "will of the voters". I would argue it's just the opposite. If it was strictly about the will of the voters, there would be absolutely no need for SDs. The SDs are in fact there to reinforce who the members of the DNC want as their nominee, not necessarily the voters
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Old 05-21-2016, 09:46 AM
 
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SDs are there to give the party faithful the last word "in case of emergency". They break a virtual tie, or swing the nomination away from a potentially disastrous candidate (like Trump for the Republicans), or if the leader has a scandal pop up before the convention... That kind of thing. They protect party interests. SDs are like the last minute emergency lever, but in this case there is no reason to break the glass.

It's never in a political party's best interest to override the populace vote unless it's a real emergency. Bernie doesn't really have a case in that regard.
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Old 05-21-2016, 09:46 AM
 
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But they aren't REQUIRED to switch....so spare us the reasoning they are only there to reinforce the "will of the voters". I would argue it's just the opposite. If it was strictly about the will of the voters, there would be absolutely no need for SDs. The SDs are in fact there to reinforce who the members of the DNC want as their nominee, not necessarily the voters
Bernie knew about all the rules before he joined the DNC last year , he has presumably accepted the rules when he decided to use the DNC to run his campaign. if he doesn't like it, he should push for a platform to change them next time
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Old 05-21-2016, 09:50 AM
 
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SDs are there to give the party faithful the last word "in case of emergency". They break a virtual tie, or swing the nomination away from a potentially disastrous candidate (like Trump for the Republicans), or if the leader has a scandal pop up before the convention... That kind of thing. They protect party interests. They are like the last minute emergency lever, but in this case there is no reason to break the glass.

It's never in a political party's best interest to override the populace vote unless it's a real emergency. Bernie doesn't really have a case.
Well said, and I think Bernie supporters are rather hypocritical when they talk about "will of voters"

Nevada final delegate allocation simply reflected Hillary's victory on caucus day when 90k people voted. Why are Bernie supporters against will of voters using those few thousands of delegates at the state convention?

Nebraska primary had 2.4 times the people voted compared to the caucus. The will of people clearly tilts toward the primary, why haven't Bernie supporters requested to honor the results of the primary?
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Old 05-21-2016, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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SDs are there to give the party faithful the last word "in case of emergency".

Actually they were given the "first word," giving Hillary an almost insurmountable advantage before the first vote was cast.


Who has not heard for a YEAR about Hillary's huge advantage. These votes WERE that advantage. Many Sanders potential voters stayed home because his election seemed impossible BECAUSE of this immense biased bloc of pre-assigned delegates.


I ask again, does anyone know how these pre-selected uber-delegates are given their eminent status?


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They break a virtual tie, or swing the nomination away from a potentially disastrous candidate (like Trump for the Republicans)
or someone who might move the country to the left, call for tax increases on the rich, regulate or break up mega-banks, bring troops home from a failed and costly war that nobody wants...you know, disasters like THAT? <yeah, sarcasm>
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