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1) He promised to stay until the end to allow people of all states to have a right to vote, and he actually intends to keep his promise. Having only 1 candidate to vote for defeats the purpose of voting.
Yes, Hillary might be mathematically doomed to win, but why not fight the good fight and send a message that the current system is broken?
1) He promised to stay until the end to allow people of all states to have a right to vote, and he actually intends to keep his promise. Having only 1 candidate to vote for defeats the purpose of voting.
Yes, Hillary might be mathematically doomed to win, but why not fight the good fight and send a message that the current system is broken?
1) He promised to stay until the end to allow people of all states to have a right to vote, and he actually intends to keep his promise. Having only 1 candidate to vote for defeats the purpose of voting.
Yes, Hillary might be mathematically doomed to win, but why not fight the good fight and send a message that the current system is broken?
As long as he hangs in there and continues to tear the party apart, more power to him.
There are all kinds of ways of crunching the numbers.
If you go by just pledged delegates, there are 897 remaining. If you add 100% of those to Bernie's current 1433, then he gets to 2330 and cannot mathematically reach 2383 in pledged delegates alone, which is what the Sanders campaign has stated is the standard that Hillary needs to meet. So in that case, yes, he should drop out by being mathematically eliminated by the formula the Sanders campaign has been arguing needs to apply.
You are both bad at math, not Bernie Sanders. The super delegate total needs to be ignored until the primaries are concluded.
This is the current Democratic tally in pledged Delegates:
1,716 Hillary Clinton
1,433 Bernie Sanders
Sanders is 283 behind Clinton, and there are 930 REMAINING PRIMARY DELEGATES in 10 states and territories. In order for Sanders to come out on top, he needs to collect 608 out of 930 delegates (65.3%) which is very do-able, especially with Sanders' momentum in recent elections.
If Sanders comes into the convention with a majority of elected delegates, the super delegates will have a very uncomfortable decision to make. When push comes to shove, I seriously doubt they will alienate the entire voter base and basically hand the election over to Donald Trump and set the party back 8 or more years
Sanders is 283 behind Clinton, and there are 930 REMAINING PRIMARY DELEGATES in 10 states and territories. In order for Sanders to come out on top, he needs to collect 608 out of 930 delegates (65.3%) which is very do-able, especially with Sanders' momentum in recent elections.
winning every remaining primary by 65-35 margins is "very do-able?" Especially with Clinton up by 10 points in California (548 delegates) and 20 points in New Jersey (142)?
That's either delusional or dishonest, I'm not sure which.
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Originally Posted by ohhwanderlust
1) He promised to stay until the end to allow people of all states to have a right to vote, and he actually intends to keep his promise. Having only 1 candidate to vote for defeats the purpose of voting.
Yes, Hillary might be mathematically doomed to win, but why not fight the good fight and send a message that the current system is broken?
Pretty sure if that message hasn't sunken in by now, it isn't going to.
At this point all Sanders is doing is providing the GOP for ammunition and talking points to use in the general, dividing the democratic base further than it should be with inflammatory rhetoric, and diverting funds to his "campaign" that should honestly be better directed to downballot races in the house and senate for democrats to take back congress.
Hillary has been fundraising for congressional candidates for months. Bernie is "still thinking about it."
The race is absolutely worse with him continuing to run the way he is.
winning every remaining primary by 65-35 margins is "very do-able?" Especially with Clinton up by 10 points in California (548 delegates) and 20 points in New Jersey (142)?
That's either delusional or dishonest, I'm not sure which.
I think what he was getting at is this:
Needing to win 65% in the remaining states is a far cry from the dishonest premise of the thread which claims that he is "mathematically eliminated".
Sanders is 283 behind Clinton, and there are 930 REMAINING PRIMARY DELEGATES in 10 states and territories. In order for Sanders to come out on top, he needs to collect 608 out of 930 delegates (65.3%) which is very do-able, especially with Sanders' momentum in recent elections.
After today's votes in KY and OR are tallied, it'll be a lot less doable. He'll need 70% of the delegates in the remaining 8 states including pro-Clinton NJ, DC, and CA.
You are both bad at math, not Bernie Sanders. The super delegate total needs to be ignored until the primaries are concluded.
This is the current Democratic tally in pledged Delegates:
1,716 Hillary Clinton
1,433 Bernie Sanders
Sanders is 283 behind Clinton, and there are 930 REMAINING PRIMARY DELEGATES in 10 states and territories. In order for Sanders to come out on top, he needs to collect 608 out of 930 delegates (65.3%) which is very do-able, especially with Sanders' momentum in recent elections.
If Sanders comes into the convention with a majority of elected delegates, the super delegates will have a very uncomfortable decision to make. When push comes to shove, I seriously doubt they will alienate the entire voter base and basically hand the election over to Donald Trump and set the party back 8 or more years
I'm not sure where you are getting 930 pledged delegates from
But that number includes superdelegates. For instance, it says CA has 546, but that's 475 pledged plus 71 supers. So no, there are not 930 unpledged delegates remaining.
In case you were wondering, my 897 came from adding up all the remaining pledged delegates, including KY and OR, from the count on RCP.
Oh the irony of being insulted about math by someone who has the math completely wrong. And if you read my post that you quoted, I was using the 2383 number, because that is what the Sanders campaign has said Hillary needs to win, and out of solely pledged delegates. So if that's what she needs, then that's what Bernie needs. And there aren't enough pledged delegates outstanding for Bernie to reach that number. Using the definition of winning as espoused by the Sanders campaign (2383 pledged delegates) Bernie is in fact mathematically eliminated.
After today's votes in KY and OR are tallied, it'll be a lot less doable. He'll need 70% of the delegates in the remaining 8 states including pro-Clinton NJ, DC, and CA.
Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Clinton is also facing a strong headwind with every new poll showing she's losing more and more of her lead over Trump
I'm not sure where you are getting 930 pledged delegates from
Virgin Islands 12
Puerto Rico 67
California 546
Montana 27
New Jersey 142
New Mexico 43
North Dakota 23
South Dakota 25
District of Columbia 45
that's 930, which does not include the delegates from today's scheduled primaries
edit: ok so I see that there's super delegates possibly wrapped up in there. Those obviously have to be pulled out to get an accurate number
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