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I was a mild Bernie supporter. Now he's lost. Time to check in to reality.
He knew all the rules ahead of time. He knew how the delegate selection process worked. He knew all about super delegates. He opted in to the process. Now he calls foul.
A shrill poor loser helps no one on the Democratic side.
I think many people who started out excited about Bernie did become disillusioned.
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Originally Posted by pknopp
He disagrees with many of their positions. One should never be required to defend positions you don't support.
Perhaps he should not have run as a part of the Democratic party platform then. Simple.
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Originally Posted by Mason3001
The Democratic Party is corrupt and can't be changed internally. They've literally rigged the system to ensure no one but the corporate selected candidate can win. This is the party the mainstream left supports, while simultaneously bad mouthing the GOP for being corrupt and corporate driven. Anyone not blindly pledging allegiance to one of the two parties can plainly see how similar they are.
I continue to maintain that the only vote that matters is a vote for a 3rd party candidate. The only way to force change on either party is to suck away their votes. Only then will they have no choice but to change. If all the Bernie supporters vowed to vote 3rd party it would guarantee defeat for Hillary and only then would the party be forced to face it's corruption. Bernie could be a hero. A true instrument for change by doing so, but at the end of the day Bernie's not really different, he's just another partisan Democrat who puts party ahead of people so he'll accept a cabinet spot from Hillary and stf* like a good boy.
See, this is part of what is turning so many people off. Playing 'victim' is not a good look for a presidential candidate.
Especially WHEN said candidate has been in DC for many, many years and knew ALL about the super-delegate process. Ok? Not a mystery to the Bern.
Tad Davine, his senior advisor, currently making big $$$$$$$$ running Sandar's campaign helped to craft the superdelegate system.
To discuss the role of the super delegates in FUTURE elections - may be possible. As for this election - the supers don't even matter AS long as Hillary continues to win the popular vote AND the pledged delegates.
How many times must this be explained? Also, I want a way to keep the likes of a Donald Trump taking over the Democratic party. In theory, that is what superdelegates would do.
Perhaps Bernie is putting his COUNTRY ahead of his own desires because he knows that Donald Trump with his brand of xenophobia and hair trigger tantrums would be an absolute disaster for this country.
I think many people who started out excited about Bernie did become disillusioned.
Perhaps he should not have run as a part of the Democratic party platform then. Simple.
See, this is part of what is turning so many people off. Playing 'victim' is not a good look for a presidential candidate.
Especially WHEN said candidate has been in DC for many, many years and knew ALL about the super-delegate process. Ok? Not a mystery to the Bern.
Tad Davine, his senior advisor, currently making big $$$$$$$$ running Sandar's campaign helped to craft the superdelegate system.
To discuss the role of the super delegates in FUTURE elections - may be possible. As for this election - the supers don't even matter AS long as Hillary continues to win the popular vote AND the pledged delegates.
How many times must this be explained? Also, I want a way to keep the likes of a Donald Trump taking over the Democratic party. In theory, that is what superdelegates would do.
Perhaps Bernie is putting his COUNTRY ahead of his own desires because he knows that Donald Trump with his brand of xenophobia and hair trigger tantrums would be an absolute disaster for this country.
I'll put that much faith in him.
I agree with all you said except that Trump would be worse than Hillary. That's like someone telling me one professional wrestler is the bad guy and the other is the good guy. It only makes sense if you believe professional wrestling is real. The rest of us can see it's a show.
I'm not a Democrat (or Republican). What pleases me is how the arrogance of the Democratic Party has basically alienated an entire generation of young, activated voters, who would otherwise have become die hard Democrats. This corruption has been a real eye opener for these people. It's almost exactly the same experience the Ron Paul supporters got in '08 and '12. Those kids did not go out and vote for Mitt Romney, just as most of these kids will not vote for Hillary. This is what needs to happen. Both parties need to have their corporate-driven, corruption highlighted for the younger generations who aren't already brainwashed into the red vs blue dynamic. By driving these young voters out of the party, it gives hope that real change can occur.
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How many times must this be explained? Also, I want a way to keep the likes of a Donald Trump taking over the Democratic party. In theory, that is what superdelegates would do
Perhaps Bernie is putting his COUNTRY ahead of his own desires because he knows that Donald Trump with his brand of xenophobia and hair trigger tantrums would be an absolute disaster for this country.
I'll put that much faith in him.
Are you saying that you think the way things are with the democrats is just fine and dandy? Really?
The democrats have long since lost their way. Somewhere along the line, they stopped looking out for the poor, working and middle classes. Now they fight tooth and nail to put illegal aliens ahead of the millions of suffering underemployed and unemployed American citizens. The dems of yore would never have done that and would have been horrified to see what is happening with today's dems.
Neither party is looking out for Americans but at one time, I expected much, much better from the dems. I grew up in a very blue state hearing how much the dems have done for the poor, working and middle classes and thus was a staunch dem for a long time. Then I noticed that they stopped caring about their constituents and started caring about their mega-rich donors---making them no better than the republicans who do the same.
It's a shame that the dems won't wake up and revert back to being true champions for their constituents.
As for Trump what "brand of xenophobia" are you yammering about? You make no sense at all.
The Democrats played a very dangerous game by encouraging Bernie Sanders and his extremist supporters. They should have stood up to Sanders many months ago. Now, the socialists have come out of the woodwork and will cause an enormous amount of long-term damage to the Democratic Party.
The Democrats played a very dangerous game by encouraging Bernie Sanders and his extremist supporters. They should have stood up to Sanders many months ago. Now, the socialists have come out of the woodwork and will cause an enormous amount of long-term damage to the Democratic Party.
Ohhhh...those scary, scary "socialists". The ones that have given us social security, medicare and every popular government program Americans love. Of course, you probably dont, but you are a fringe. Americans are social democrats, whether you like it or not, and that is the future the Democratic party is headed in. It is sick and absurd that America is the only country in the world where people have the freedom to go bankrupt because of hospital bills after cancer treatment and have the lowest numbers of vacation days and no paid family and medical leave so people can say goodbye to their dying parents or bond with a newborn child.
People are supposed to slave around for a corporation and shut up and be quiet about it, anything else is evil and scary "socialism". This meek and submissive attitude is rightfully being challenged and the working class has had enough. Be prepared for more scary "socialism" in the future, Dole-McCain Republican.
I agree with all you said except that Trump would be worse than Hillary. That's like someone telling me one professional wrestler is the bad guy and the other is the good guy. It only makes sense if you believe professional wrestling is real. The rest of us can see it's a show.
I'm not a Democrat (or Republican). What pleases me is how the arrogance of the Democratic Party has basically alienated an entire generation of young, activated voters, who would otherwise have become die hard Democrats. This corruption has been a real eye opener for these people. It's almost exactly the same experience the Ron Paul supporters got in '08 and '12. Those kids did not go out and vote for Mitt Romney, just as most of these kids will not vote for Hillary. This is what needs to happen. Both parties need to have their corporate-driven, corruption highlighted for the younger generations who aren't already brainwashed into the red vs blue dynamic. By driving these young voters out of the party, it gives hope that real change can occur.
To compare Trump and Hillary is just fallacy - they are nothing alike. You might as well compare Bernie and Trump if that's the case.
Hillary at least hasn't proposed bring back torture; killing the families of terrorists, banning all Muslims, and arming other countries with nukes.
With regard to the 'arrogance' of the Democratic party - all that happened was that people voted for their candidate of choice. Just like we do every four years.
No one is asking him to defend anyone. But I would think that his positions are more aligned with Hillary than with Trump.
Trump is against the trade deals we currently have. Sanders is against them. Hillary is for them.
Trump is against Obamacare. Sanders is against Obamacare. Hillary wants to keep it.
Trump wants to enforce our borders. Sanders wants to enforce our borders. Hillary not so much.
Sanders is dead opposite of Hillary on Wall Street. Trump? Who knows.
Sanders is dead opposite of Hillary on the wars. Trump? Who knows.
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