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View Poll Results: Will Hillary respond to the State Dept. audit ?
Yes 6 13.33%
NO 39 86.67%
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Old 05-27-2016, 07:46 AM
 
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Clinton lead in California "evaporates" over scathing audit:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/clintons-...223121515.html
The latest poll shows Hillary leading by 18
2016 California Democratic Presidential Primary - Polls - HuffPost Pollster
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Old 05-27-2016, 09:17 AM
 
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She'll never get the rules apply to her, NEVER:

Hillary Clinton Doubles Down on Email Scandal, Saying 'It Was Allowed' - ABC News

How anyone can vote for such an incompetent, I will never understand. She needs a guardian not the office of POTUS.
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Old 05-27-2016, 09:37 AM
 
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There was NO POLICY on EMAILS pre 2005, a fact you keep IGNORING..
You are incorrect - From the I.G. report - Found beginning on page 50

Madeleine Albright January 23, 1997 – January 20, 2001)
Foreign Affairs Manual (FAM) and Foreign ffairs Handbook (FAH) Requirements for Use of Non-Departmental Systems:
Since 1996, the FAM directed Department of State (Department) systems managers to ensure that privately owned computers were not installed or used in any Department office building.

1 Applicable Cybersecurity Provisions and Related Guidance:
In 1988, Congress enacted the Computer Security Act to require all Federal agencies to identify computer systems containing sensitive information, conduct computer security training, and develop computer security plans.

2 Office of Management and Budget (OMB) Circular A-130 (Appendix III) required Federal agencies to establish security programs containing specified elements, including development of a System Security Plan, assignment of responsibility for security to individuals knowledgeable in information security technology, and regular review of information system security controls. The FAM did not contain specific computer or cybersecurity provisions.

Statutory and Regulatory Requirements for Email Records Preservation:
The Federal Records Act of 1950 requires the head of every Federal agency to “make and preserve records containing adequate and proper documentation of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and essential transactions of the agency.”

3 The agency head is also required to establish and maintain an active, continuing program for the economical and efficient management of agency records that provides for:

Effective controls over the creation and the maintenance and use of records in the conduct of current business; Cooperation with the Archivist in applying standards, procedures, and techniques designed to improve the management of records, promote the maintenance and security of records deemed appropriate for preservation, and facilitate the segregation and disposal of records of temporary value; and Compliance with Federal law and regulations.

4 As part of this program, the agency head must establish safeguards against the removal or loss of records, including making it known to agency employees that agency records may not be unlawfully alienated or destroyed and that penalties exist for the unlawful removal or destruction of records.

5 The agency head must notify the Archivist of any actual, impending, or threatened unlawful removal, defacing, alteration, corruption, deletion, erasure, or other destruction of records in the agency’s custody.

6 The Federal Records Act define records broadly as all books, papers, maps, photographs, machine readable materials, or other documentary materials, regardless of physical form or characteristics, made or received by an agency of the United States Government … or in connection with the transaction of public business and preserved or appropriate for preservation by that agency or its legitimate successor as evidence of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, operations, or other activities of the Government or because of the informational value of data in them.

7 The regulations issued by the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) in title 36 of the Code of Federal Regulations (C.F.R.) that were in effect during Secretary Albright’s tenure specified actions that must be taken by an agency in establishing a records program.


A "requirement" is not a suggestion. "Rules", Regulations and Laws have been in place for decades. IF the idea is that "rules" have no meaning - then I guess that all the "rules" written by HHS, Labor Relations Board, IRS, EPA and all Agencies also have no meaning and no enforcement. That is simply NOT the case.
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Old 05-27-2016, 10:33 AM
 
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But, but, but....It was allowed. Folks, not only was it not allowed, but a flimsy excuse of Hil doesn't know how to use a computer was used. If true, I do not want this person grappling with modern day issues. Somehow, I do not believe this excuse.

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“The crux of the issue was that BlackBerrys and iPhones are not allowed in the secretary’s office suite, so the question was: How is the secretary going to be able to check her e-mails if she’s not able to have the BlackBerry at her desk with her?”
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“My proposal was to set up a computer on her desk, a standalone computer, for her to be able to access the Internet to check her e-mails,” said Lukens, who helped oversee coordination among sections of the State Department.
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While she wouldn’t have been allowed to use a wireless device in her office because of security concerns, he said that the computer he proposed instead wouldn’t have required passwords.
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A computer never was placed in her office. In an e-mail cited in the deposition, Lukens wrote that he heard from Cheryl Mills, who was Clinton’s chief of staff, that she "does not know how to use a computer to do e-mail, only BB."
Clinton Took to State Department Hallways to Check BlackBerry - Bloomberg Politics



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Originally Posted by Kibby View Post
You are incorrect - From the I.G. report - Found beginning on page 50

Madeleine Albright January 23, 1997 – January 20, 2001)
Foreign Affairs Manual (FAM) and Foreign ffairs Handbook (FAH) Requirements for Use of Non-Departmental Systems:
Since 1996, the FAM directed Department of State (Department) systems managers to ensure that privately owned computers were not installed or used in any Department office building.

1 Applicable Cybersecurity Provisions and Related Guidance:
In 1988, Congress enacted the Computer Security Act to require all Federal agencies to identify computer systems containing sensitive information, conduct computer security training, and develop computer security plans.

2 Office of Management and Budget (OMB) Circular A-130 (Appendix III) required Federal agencies to establish security programs containing specified elements, including development of a System Security Plan, assignment of responsibility for security to individuals knowledgeable in information security technology, and regular review of information system security controls. The FAM did not contain specific computer or cybersecurity provisions.

Statutory and Regulatory Requirements for Email Records Preservation:
The Federal Records Act of 1950 requires the head of every Federal agency to “make and preserve records containing adequate and proper documentation of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and essential transactions of the agency.”

3 The agency head is also required to establish and maintain an active, continuing program for the economical and efficient management of agency records that provides for:

Effective controls over the creation and the maintenance and use of records in the conduct of current business; Cooperation with the Archivist in applying standards, procedures, and techniques designed to improve the management of records, promote the maintenance and security of records deemed appropriate for preservation, and facilitate the segregation and disposal of records of temporary value; and Compliance with Federal law and regulations.

4 As part of this program, the agency head must establish safeguards against the removal or loss of records, including making it known to agency employees that agency records may not be unlawfully alienated or destroyed and that penalties exist for the unlawful removal or destruction of records.

5 The agency head must notify the Archivist of any actual, impending, or threatened unlawful removal, defacing, alteration, corruption, deletion, erasure, or other destruction of records in the agency’s custody.

6 The Federal Records Act define records broadly as all books, papers, maps, photographs, machine readable materials, or other documentary materials, regardless of physical form or characteristics, made or received by an agency of the United States Government … or in connection with the transaction of public business and preserved or appropriate for preservation by that agency or its legitimate successor as evidence of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, operations, or other activities of the Government or because of the informational value of data in them.

7 The regulations issued by the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) in title 36 of the Code of Federal Regulations (C.F.R.) that were in effect during Secretary Albright’s tenure specified actions that must be taken by an agency in establishing a records program.


A "requirement" is not a suggestion. "Rules", Regulations and Laws have been in place for decades. IF the idea is that "rules" have no meaning - then I guess that all the "rules" written by HHS, Labor Relations Board, IRS, EPA and all Agencies also have no meaning and no enforcement. That is simply NOT the case.
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Old 05-27-2016, 12:32 PM
 
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This is a pretty good article about the real issues with her email scandal:

Hillary Clinton's Email Scandal Illustrates her Defensiveness - The Atlantic

I mean, this woman can't follow a basic set of rules, and let's face it, she sees herself above it all in her own little world. "Walled off" was a good phrase for her in the article.
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Old 05-27-2016, 12:56 PM
 
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It's very worthwhile to read the Inspector General Report on Email/Record practices (and violations) at the US State Department. It's 83 pages long, but the last 30 pages are about the Laws & Regulations that were in place for the last 4 Secretaries of State and the recommendations & responses to the recommendations. I regularly read OIG reports, the most difficult part of reading any Government report is the CODE language they use (appendix at the end of the report).

Office of the Secretary: Evaluation of Email Records Management and Cybersecurity Requirements - April 2015-May 2016 |Office of the Inspector General

The Federal Government is so bloated with Bureaucracy (and incompetent employees) that it is truly Non-Functional. The Careerists that actually run the Government are well aware of the Non-Functionality and Total Lack of any Consequences for Incompetency and/or Breaking the Law ..... so they just ignore the Laws and do what they want.
A lot of this report refers to NARA (National Archives and Records Administration) based in Law in used for both Archives and FOIA Laws. NARA does an "audit" annually of all Federal Departments and Agencies (required by Law), but NARA has done ZERO Audits on the State Department for 25 years - at some point a "rule" was written that the Office of Management (Patrick Kennedy has held this position for years) can just sign a piece of paper saying "no audit necessary because everything is in compliance with the Laws. Patrick Kennedy is the Un-elected Careerist who actually runs the State Department. His only REAL interest is in preserving his JOB and his personal POWER. There is a "Patrick Kennedy" in every Department/Agency. THAT is the Real Problem. It's next to impossible to get these people out of Power due to their powerful Unions.

The OIG does investigations - these OIG reports go to Congress, do but the OIG reports do not access Criminality - they just document what happened. It is up to Congress to specifically write New Laws that detail Punishments for Lying to the OIG, Lying to Congress and not following Laws & Regulations. It is up to Congress to break the Stranglehold that the Public Service Unions have on our Federal Governments. That is where cleaning Corruption out of the Federal Government begins.
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Old 05-27-2016, 01:50 PM
 
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I have been asking the same for a long time: if its so "devastating", why not put her on trial? Every day new allegations are floating around: a Romanian hacker who hacked into her email, a new "smashing" revelation on her conduct, a report from the comptroller, etc, etc. No day passes without something "new" about the email. How long will this be grinded and regurgitated? I bet tomorrow news will be revealing "new and terrible facts" about that email server. Frankly, it really gets old and boring.
If she broke the law, accuse her in the court of law. Put her on trial. Sue her. Its that simple.
"I have been asking the same for a long time: if its so "devastating", why not put her on trial?"

You KNOW the answer but, just want to muddy the waters.

The IG report JUST CAME OUT so why should anythig ave been done BEFORE the report camr out?

The FBI is NOT FINISHED "crossing all the I's and dotting all the T's"

Whe THEY decicde what to so is WHWN something will happen NOR BEFORE.

IF they came out early, you and your kind would be screening "The FBI HASN'T finished their investigation yet".

Sorry, you loose!
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Old 05-27-2016, 01:57 PM
 
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First, your use of the word "Hildog" makes it difficult to take your post seriously. Second, I think it's a riot that when Trump has more "pants on fire" ratings and more 4 "pinnochio" ratings than any other candidate in history, Hillary is always the one being called a liar.

No, her supporters know she probably violated some rules, but she's the only one who is being attacked for doing it. I was accused of "hijacking" the thread because I mentioned 9/11, but why not? After all, the Bush administration received CIA briefs detailing a very real, imminent threat, but they were ignored. I don't know if the 9/11 attacks could have been stopped, but where's the blame? Yet Hillary has been called a murderer and there have been non-stop investigations for years. Why not bring up Beirut where 200 marines died? I don't think these events are off-topic at all but, I guess to most Republicans, they are.
"No, her supporters know she probably violated some rules,"

Correction, LAWS.

" she's the only one who is being attacked for doing it"

Because sh e is the only one who DID it, no matter how the left wants to say, "Rice and Powell dis it" which is NOT true.

"After all, the Bush administration received CIA briefs detailing a very real, imminent threat, but they were ignored"

Bill Clinton had the SAME info and signed the Regime change bill BECAUSE OF THE INFO.

Don't forget, Bill had SEVERAL chances to get Bin Laden and REFUSED to give the orders to do so.

" Why not bring up Beirut where 200 marines died?"

BECAUSE there was NO COVER UP about what happened.

"I guess"

That is ALL you have done because you IGNORED other pertinent FACTS.
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Old 05-27-2016, 02:00 PM
 
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Yes, Powell used private email accounts to communicate.. BEFORE there was policies forbidding it..
AND he RECEIVED 2 emails which 10 years later have been discovered.

He SENT NOTHING classified.

He did NOT set up a PRIVATE server to AVOID future FOIA's
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Old 05-27-2016, 02:05 PM
 
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If it was going to be a whitewash, the State Dept would have laid out
so publicly the rules Hlillary broke. They would have stuffed it under the rug.
Hillary is worried that Obama will let her laundry out to dry.
Would he do this ?

Boehner: ‘Don’t be surprised if Obama Admin tries to insert Biden as Dem nominee two weeks out from convention’


"Let's get something straight right off the bat. I don't like John Boehner," Biden said. "I love him."
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