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Old 05-30-2016, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Trump is more Liberal than Clinton.
not on taxes, de-regulation, and other things
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Old 05-30-2016, 01:24 PM
 
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not on taxes, de-regulation, and other things
There is no real way to tell as both will lie with a straight face.
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Old 05-30-2016, 01:27 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Was he in charge of the matters? I wasn't aware it was the Senate that made debacles out of these two countries.
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You hold Clinton responsible for Iraq in which Bush was in charge. Yet you fail to hold Bernie accountable for his positive support.
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Old 05-30-2016, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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You hold Clinton responsible for Iraq in which Bush was in charge. Yet you fail to hold Bernie accountable for his positive support.
Trump is ahead of both on this matter
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Old 05-30-2016, 01:34 PM
 
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You hold Clinton responsible for Iraq in which Bush was in charge. Yet you fail to hold Bernie accountable for his positive support.
I hold her decision to do it as bad
Her actions as SoS bad

His support of Libya and Syria was bad. Her actions were worse as she was supposedly leading the charge.
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Old 05-30-2016, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Sitting on a bar stool. Guinness in hand.
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What has she done to earn your vote?
Nothing. That the point of my posts. I'm not voting for her, trump, or anybody else this election cycle. Whoever wins (mostly likely Clinton) has to show me that their agendas are truly progressive. Otherwise they don't get my vote now or in 4 year. And something tell me I far from alone with this sentiment. Let watch voter participation numbers shall we.
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Old 05-30-2016, 02:29 PM
 
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Nothing. That the point of my posts. I'm not voting for her, trump, or anybody else this election cycle. Whoever wins (mostly likely Clinton) has to show me that their agendas are truly progressive. Otherwise they don't get my vote now or in 4 year. And something tell me I far from alone with this sentiment. Let watch voter participation numbers shall we.

Fair enough.
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Old 05-30-2016, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Texas
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That's the same thing that was said in 2008 -- Hillary voters won't support Obama (which they did.) It's also why McCain cynically chose Sarah Palin, because she's got ovaries and will attract disaffected Hillary supporters.

The reality is that although Mrs. Clinton is not as left as Sanders, she supports just about the same things as Sanders. She wants a raise to the minimum wage; government supported health care; raising taxes on the rich, etc. All of her policies help working Americans.

Dumb Donald's proposals all benefit the wealthy class at the expense of the working class. This is why DD has been focusing on discredited Clinton conspiracy theories from the 1990s -- he can't compete with her on the real issues facing Americans.

I watched the video and the Bernie or Bust supporter was vague and unspecific and it broke down to "I just don't trust her" -- a position that is largely created by 25 years of right-wing smears.

Logically, what does that mean? Is this voter going to not support Clinton on the basis of lack-of-trust and then help Dishonest Donald win, who flips positions in mid-sentence?
I don't think you watched the whole video because she got into Hillary's specific contradictions.

And no, Clinton and Sanders do not want the same things, they can't, they are fundamentally different people with different motives and different records. This was even highlighted in the video, Clinton does not have a confidence inspiring record of accountability or integrity.
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Old 05-30-2016, 10:14 PM
 
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I think perpetrators ought to be held directly accountable for their own actions.




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Old 06-01-2016, 09:36 AM
 
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The guy that lead the attack on the 1st amendment in an effort to save his job?
Yeah, sorry but you seem to be thinking of someone else. Feingold was the only senator who voted against the Patriot Act. Might want to do some research before posting.
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