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Old 06-08-2016, 05:39 PM
 
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I can't wait to hear what Monday or Tuesday Clinton speech from Trump will be. I expect his campaign has been working on that for month as it was easy to know that from the two candidates she would win based on the rigged system.

On the other hand Clinton will have a harder time finding anything on Trump as he mostly has been an open book and everything that was thrown at him failed so far and even boomeranged back to them like the women issue.

When they ex came out accusing the bad journalism that was hilarious.

Even though I don't agree on everything and how he is saying things the ones who now are denouncing Trump and back out to vote for him will see the backlash sooner than later. Lindsay Graham will be history and so will many others who were part of the problem so who cares what they say.
Well. If you say so.

Trump said HE won against a rigged system. Why couldn't Bernie?
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Old 06-08-2016, 06:16 PM
 
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Well. If you say so.

Trump said HE won against a rigged system. Why couldn't Bernie?
Bernie doesn't have near the support among democrats as Trump does with republicans. Trump won the most votes by a large margin, Bernie didn't. Also, Trump didn't have Super Delegates already lined up against him before the voting even started.
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Old 06-08-2016, 06:51 PM
 
Location: on the edge of Sanity
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Well. If you say so.

Trump said HE won against a rigged system. Why couldn't Bernie?
Good point. Also, the proportionate delegate system used by the Democrats helped Sanders since Clinton won most of the larger states with more delegates. If she had received all or most of the delegates in states like Texas, Florida, Pennsylvania and Georgia she would have clinched the nomination a while ago.
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Old 06-08-2016, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Hmm. Nope.


This same sort of thing was said when people boldly stated that Trump could never win the nomination.

They were all proved wrong. Trump is now polling ahead of Clinton in states that have been Blue for a long time. This speaks for itself.
Get the blinders off and face the facts Jack. It is June, the election is months away, Trump's support can fizzle out. Polls don't mean crap. Dewey was expected to beat Truman in 48, didn't happen. Trump cam still win or he can lose despite polls. The fact is regardless Trump is losing support from the Republican backers in Congress one by one. That isn't a good sign but it isn't a damning sign.
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Old 06-08-2016, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Bernie doesn't have near the support among democrats as Trump does with republicans. Trump won the most votes by a large margin, Bernie didn't. Also, Trump didn't have Super Delegates already lined up against him before the voting even started.
I think the Super Delegates had a much bigger role. Trump won a good number of races with only 20-30% of the vote while Bernie typically had 40% and still lost. Trump benefited off of being the only outsider in a field of insiders.
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Old 06-09-2016, 02:50 AM
 
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Good point. Also, the proportionate delegate system used by the Democrats helped Sanders since Clinton won most of the larger states with more delegates. If she had received all or most of the delegates in states like Texas, Florida, Pennsylvania and Georgia she would have clinched the nomination a while ago.
Big states have the most expensive ad markets, making it very expensive for outsiders to win those states as they simply dont get to know the candidate. Thats where name recognition plays a huge role and no woman has a bigger national profile than Hillary Clinton. Not even Obama won those big states in 2008. Why did Trump win those states? He got billions of free advertisement from the media, its 24/7 Trump news for a year now. You can claim that all of this doesnt matter but every political scientist will say that it is crucial.
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Old 06-09-2016, 06:36 AM
 
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Big states have the most expensive ad markets, making it very expensive for outsiders to win those states as they simply dont get to know the candidate. Thats where name recognition plays a huge role and no woman has a bigger national profile than Hillary Clinton. Not even Obama won those big states in 2008. Why did Trump win those states? He got billions of free advertisement from the media, its 24/7 Trump news for a year now. You can claim that all of this doesnt matter but every political scientist will say that it is crucial.
End of the day: trump WON in the primaries, Bernie LOST
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Old 06-09-2016, 06:42 AM
 
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Get the blinders off and face the facts Jack. It is June, the election is months away, Trump's support can fizzle out. Polls don't mean crap. Dewey was expected to beat Truman in 48, didn't happen. Trump cam still win or he can lose despite polls. The fact is regardless Trump is losing support from the Republican backers in Congress one by one. That isn't a good sign but it isn't a damning sign.
I did give you the facts. You guys said there was no chance he would win the nomination. He did. Now you repeat yourselves again about the Presidency. When you get to the point of telling us why people should vote for Hillary instead of reasons for not voting for Trump, then you might have something.
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Old 06-09-2016, 06:47 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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I think the Super Delegates had a much bigger role. Trump won a good number of races with only 20-30% of the vote while Bernie typically had 40% and still lost. Trump benefited off of being the only outsider in a field of insiders.
Donnie benefitted from a larger field. When he got 30% and won, it was because it was still more than any other individual candidate. When Bernie got 40% and lost, it was because Hillary got 60%. Superdelegates had nothing to do with it.
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Old 06-09-2016, 07:01 AM
 
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Donnie benefitted from a larger field. When he got 30% and won, it was because it was still more than any other individual candidate. When Bernie got 40% and lost, it was because Hillary got 60%. Superdelegates had nothing to do with it.
Hillary didn't get 60%

The final tally is this.

% Vote
  • Hillary = 55.63%
  • Bernie = 42.68%
  • Others = 1.69%
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