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Old 06-21-2016, 06:43 AM
 
Location: Type 0.73 Kardashev
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Originally Posted by metalmancpa View Post
Spending money doesn't mean much IMO.
Uh huh. Identifying and targeting voters. Turning them out to vote. Meaningless. Sure...

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The polls are a better indicator than the coffer.
You mean the same polls showing Trump doing worse than either Romney in June 2012 or McCain in June 2008 were doing? Uh... okay...

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Trump has defied all logic up to this point. He decimated the inept GOP. He's not spending much yet it's a tight race. Go figure.
Well, I'll 'go figure' at the ideas that the GOP base is the general electorate (it's not) and that it's a tight race (it's not).

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With the economy the way it is, doesn't matter why but Trump isn't asking for wads of donations from the public, the same public that is hurting in this economy. Sort of refreshing if you ask me.
This is the same economy that was going to make President Obama a one-termer and Mitt Romney the 44th President, right?

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Originally Posted by legalsea View Post
This itemizer is quite interesting, for Mr. Donald John Trump. No doubt, Hillary Rodham Clinton's is just as interesting, but I have yet to look at it.

https://projects.propublica.org/item...C00580100/2016

Click on 'spending' for 'Jun monthly".
LOL... they spent $208,000+ in Florida.... on hats.

Interesting that they threw $35,000 on advertising at an agency called... Draper Sterling.

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I guess I should not be surprised that a campaign will have so many expenses for airline travel, rental cars, hotel stays, even office supplies.
No, that seems about normal to me.

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As noted, that Trump facility in Florida got paid $423,000 for rental/facilities. I bet they could have gotten a cheaper place down the road.
Sure, that would've saved limited campaign resources. Or, they could have just stayed there without charge. But then Cheeto Jesus wouldn't have turned a buck - and what's the bottom line, after all?

 
Old 06-21-2016, 06:50 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Unsettomati View Post
The FEC filings:

Clinton - $19.5 million raised in May, with $42 million cash on hand
Form 3P for Hillary for America

Trump - $3.1 million raised in May, with $1.3 million cash on hand
Form 3P for DONALD J. TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT, INC.

That's right. the Clinton campaign has 32x as much cash on hand as the Trump campaign. Four years ago in May, $3.1 million was 2-3 days work for Mitt Romney. It took Trump an entire month to raise that amount - mostly because he has no campaign infrastructure, has no idea what he's doing, and is surrounded by 'talent' that has no idea what it's doing.

This is all primary cash. Candidates cannot spend money raised for the general election until they are nominated. This means Clinton is going to hammer Trump until late July, while Trump stays mostly dark. And there's no sign that Trump is going to make structural changes to his flailing campaign that will close this gaping financial chasm between himself and Clinton by then.

Trump runs his campaign about as well as he runs his businesses (which are designed to make him wealthy no matter how spectacularly they fail, and no matter how many investors and contractors are left holding the bag).

PS:
According to May filings, the Ben Carson campaign currently has $1.7 million in cash on hand. In other words, Ben flippin' Carson - who won 4/10ths of 1% of the primary vote, who dropped out three and a half months ago, who never won more than 11% of the votes in any primary, who never finished better than 3rd place in any primary, and who never even won a single county in the country (he did win one census area in Alaska) - has more cash on hand that the presumptive Republican nominee.

Think about that.
This is a result of Donald's massive ego getting the best of him by thinking he is too good to grovel for money (like ordinary politicians) and the faulty thinking that he can continue to wing it by just holding massive rallies, interviewing with Fox, and running home to Melania each night.

The money gap will just get worse because he won't change, the big money donors don't like him, and the republican establishment he has been trashing, won't help him out of this mess, and will gladly watch him crash and burn.

Donald is about to learn a hard lesson and that is "money is the mothers milk of politics"!
 
Old 06-21-2016, 07:19 AM
 
Location: North America
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Originally Posted by daylux View Post
She is so going down. She can't buy this election. She didn't learn a thing from the primary. Trump was outspent exponentially and he still won.
Trump also had the benefit of running against several candidates that split the vote and was ahead in pretty much every poll from the start. He doesn't get as much media attention as he did during the primary though. He also has to contend with 6 weeks of attack ads that he cannot respond to until after the convention. Because he can't actually spend his post primary fundraising money until then.
 
Old 06-21-2016, 07:21 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Unsettomati View Post
The FEC filings:

Clinton - $19.5 million raised in May, with $42 million cash on hand
Form 3P for Hillary for America

Trump - $3.1 million raised in May, with $1.3 million cash on hand
Form 3P for DONALD J. TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT, INC.

That's right. the Clinton campaign has 32x as much cash on hand as the Trump campaign. Four years ago in May, $3.1 million was 2-3 days work for Mitt Romney. It took Trump an entire month to raise that amount - mostly because he has no campaign infrastructure, has no idea what he's doing, and is surrounded by 'talent' that has no idea what it's doing.

This is all primary cash. Candidates cannot spend money raised for the general election until they are nominated. This means Clinton is going to hammer Trump until late July, while Trump stays mostly dark. And there's no sign that Trump is going to make structural changes to his flailing campaign that will close this gaping financial chasm between himself and Clinton by then.

Trump runs his campaign about as well as he runs his businesses (which are designed to make him wealthy no matter how spectacularly they fail, and no matter how many investors and contractors are left holding the bag).

PS:
According to May filings, the Ben Carson campaign currently has $1.7 million in cash on hand. In other words, Ben flippin' Carson - who won 4/10ths of 1% of the primary vote, who dropped out three and a half months ago, who never won more than 11% of the votes in any primary, who never finished better than 3rd place in any primary, and who never even won a single county in the country (he did win one census area in Alaska) - has more cash on hand that the presumptive Republican nominee.

Think about that.
Yeah from TERRORIST nations!!!!!
 
Old 06-21-2016, 07:25 AM
 
Location: North America
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Originally Posted by metalmancpa View Post
Spending money doesn't mean much IMO. The polls are a better indicator than the coffer.

Trump has defied all logic up to this point. He decimated the inept GOP. He's not spending much yet it's a tight race. Go figure.

With the economy the way it is, doesn't matter why but Trump isn't asking for wads of donations from the public, the same public that is hurting in this economy. Sort of refreshing if you ask me.

So maybe Bozo The Clown is our next president. If change is what people want, Trump is giving it to the public.
Down by 6 isn't the definition of a tight race. Clinton leads him by more than Obama did over McCain in 2008. He also has to deal with 6 weeks of attack ads that he can't respond to. You know why? Because any money he raised after the primary can't be spent until after the convention. And who knows how much he will have even raised by then. Considering his may numbers and his SuperPac numbers it's obvious that the donors aren't exactly opening up their wallets for him. I agree that spending money can be a bit overrated You are either electable or you aren't. However, it doesn't look good when you essentially can't campaign for two months while your opponent is out in force all the time either.
 
Old 06-21-2016, 07:27 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Originally Posted by ~HecateWhisperCat~ View Post
Trump also had the benefit of running against several candidates that split the vote and was ahead in pretty much every poll from the start. He doesn't get as much media attention as he did during the primary though. He also has to contend with 6 weeks of attack ads that he cannot respond to until after the convention. Because he can't actually spend his fundraising money until then.
WHAT????

It's true he can't spend the RNC's money until after he is the actual nominee.

But he is as free as Clinton, Sanders, Cruz, Rubio, Kasich, and the rest of the cast of thousands to spend money RIGHT NOW.

But he isn't.
 
Old 06-21-2016, 07:28 AM
 
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Now the Left LOVES big money in politics just like they did both times Obama ran. ****ing hypocrite scumbags
 
Old 06-21-2016, 07:30 AM
 
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WHAT????

It's true he can't spend the RNC's money until after he is the actual nominee.

But he is as free as Clinton, Sanders, Cruz, Rubio, Kasich, and the rest of the cast of thousands to spend money RIGHT NOW.

But he isn't.
Well, he needs to reserve most of the $1.3 million on hand for paying his resort, airplane, tanning spray, hair products and Katrina Pierson for the next month.

Mick
 
Old 06-21-2016, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Now the Left LOVES big money in politics just like they did both times Obama ran. ****ing hypocrite scumbags
Nah, we don't love it.

But until we go to taxpayer-funded campaigns, THIS is the way the game is played. And didn't Trump spend a lot of time boasting about his ability to out-compete everyone else on the money front??

If you wanna play pro football, you don't show up with a ping pong paddle.
 
Old 06-21-2016, 07:34 AM
 
Location: North America
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Originally Posted by jacqueg View Post
WHAT????

It's true he can't spend the RNC's money until after he is the actual nominee.

But he is as free as Clinton, Sanders, Cruz, Rubio, Kasich, and the rest of the cast of thousands to spend money RIGHT NOW.

But he isn't.
Yeah, the difference is she was sitting on a large pile of cash and he isn't sitting on as much.
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