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View Poll Results: Trump's sovereign nation or Hillary globalist EU view
Trump sovereign nation 85 82.52%
Hillary twisted globalist EU view 18 17.48%
Voters: 103. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-26-2016, 07:01 PM
 
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Isolationism is not the answer. Your lives depend on other countries more than you think. Take a look around your house right now. I guarantee you at least 70% of what you have in it was made in a foreign country. Its dangerous when you become an isolationist country that says take a hike, we can make everything ourselves. Most people can barley get by now as is. What do you think will happen if everything were made here and companies were forced to pay 5 times what they do now? Thats right, prices go way up! Do you want to pay $2500k for a TV? How about $3k for a fridge? How about $400 for that coffee table that was made overseas and only cost you $100? Yeah...

Isolationism is not the answer. It's not the issue either. It's only fear mongering and misinformation along with intimidation offered by the liberals.

They can't win on the issues. Their champion is a experienced failure and she offers more failure and poor judgement without end.
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Old 06-26-2016, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Isolationism is not the answer. It's not the issue either. It's only fear mongering and misinformation along with intimidation offered by the liberals.

They can't win on the issues. Their champion is a experienced failure and she offers more failure and poor judgement without end.
Facts are facts regardless of whether you believe in them or not. It seems that you are suggesting that matters such as Brexit will not make Britain poorer, which smart people -- like economists, say will erode trade even if there isn't a trade war. And Britain will become less productive as a result. That's not fear mongering or misinformation. That's math.

What happens when the pound falls, which is the result of Brexit? Well, people voted for the higher food and petrol prices, which is the result of the exit. They also voted for a possible recession too. They did vote for lower immigration, but only in a small minority of cases because they dislike immigrants. People thought less immigration would lead to more secure jobs and higher real wages. They may get lower immigration, in time, but they will certainly will not get a better working conditions as a result.

Similar isolation policies would have similar results on the other end of the pond.
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Old 06-26-2016, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Somewhere
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All I know is that after seeing this scientific unbiased poll I am convinced Trump will be at the top of the polls next week.
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Old 06-27-2016, 01:02 AM
 
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Facts are facts regardless of whether you believe in them or not. It seems that you are suggesting that matters such as Brexit will not make Britain poorer, which smart people -- like economists, say will erode trade even if there isn't a trade war. And Britain will become less productive as a result. That's not fear mongering or misinformation. That's math.
You can a get an economist to say whatever you want them to say if you write the check to their liking. Alan Greenspan had a theory, which is what most economist have/use, assumed he was correct and made his decisions base on that theory for 30 years before he admitted it was wrong and he was wrong about it.
All those years shaping economic policy was nothing more than using the lives of people as lab rats for an experiment that was flawed from the start.
You equate people with being poor according to a monetary value. If that was the deciding factor anyone not in the top 1% but in the bottom 10 % should commit suicidal and get it over with because their life has so little value.
You don't consider the quality of life to have any value and a slave should be just as happy as a slave owner. Freedom and independence has a value and a price but no measure of it in your math. People who see some bureaucrat living the good life, off their production, dictating to them and intruding into all areas of their existence where they have no business is not the kind of government they want. It works well for an ant colony but people have evolved and are not satisfied with a drone like existence with nothing more than instinct to drive them.

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What happens when the pound falls, which is the result of Brexit? Well, people voted for the higher food and petrol prices, which is the result of the exit. They also voted for a possible recession too. They did vote for lower immigration, but only in a small minority of cases because they dislike immigrants. People thought less immigration would lead to more secure jobs and higher real wages. They may get lower immigration, in time, but they will certainly will not get a better working conditions as a result.

Similar isolation policies would have similar results on the other end of the pond
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Globalism is in the isolation business. That is their stock in trade.
They isolate the money from the wallets of people who produce. Give it to the 1% who make the rules to benefit themselves and with what is left over redistribute it to those who don't produce. The three richest county's in the USA are all right around Washington D.C. and they don't manufacture but one product. Ideas. They manufacture ideas on how they can advantage themselves off the lives of those that actually produce items with work carried out by the middleclass. Maybe they went to far when they invited in refugees infiltrated by an enemy that wants to kill them. Telling them it was good for them didn't go over so well. They weren't dumbed down enough yet to buy that crap. Whether America is or not will be decided this election.
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Old 05-24-2017, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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The irony is that 17 people actually voted for a twisted globalist EU view.

I voted for a sovereign nation which is not exclusive to Trump. We have been one for nearly 250 years.

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All those years shaping economic policy was nothing more than using the lives of people as lab rats for an experiment that was flawed from the start.
...and they're still doing it!
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Old 05-28-2017, 02:38 PM
 
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The irony is that 17 people actually voted for a twisted globalist EU view.
Those 17 people probably believe they can win over a radicalized Muslim who is hellbent on wiping out westernized infidels.
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Old 05-28-2017, 03:56 PM
 
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No, the irony is that anyone actually read or considered voting in a poll phrased this way.

Stupid is as stupid does.
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Old 05-28-2017, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I really hate biased polls that insist on answering for people rather than letting them make an actual choice.

Epic thread fail.
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Old 05-28-2017, 04:15 PM
 
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Trump's position = America should continue as sovereign nation, better than Hillary's EU like globalist view.

Poll to see if we want to be more like the United Kingdom as they have voted to leave the EU.

Maybe you think Hillary's open border globalist view to be more like the EU is better

What are your thoughts ? Is this a rejection of Obama and Hillary's position when Obama was in the UK talking up the UK to stay in the EU

For long term growth and freedom is this a rejection of big government and the meddling of foreign nations in a sovereign nations affairs ?

Will this wake the politicians up ? It's time to listen to the people.
This is too simplistic to even intelligently address. Clinton is not trying to make America into... not a country. Clinton is a globalist in the sense that she is highly supportive of international relations. The big one is free trade. It's not unregulated free trade like the Libertarians want, but it is still free trade by agreement. We talk to country A and make a deal that eliminates tariffs and so on.

To say she supports open borders is not true. She supports allowing in refugees and more immigrants and has a softer stance on illegal immigration. To say she supports open borders, as in virtually no border security or caps on entrance, is untrue.
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