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Old 02-18-2008, 07:47 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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ohh but they do, the government has a starting wage of 80,000 per year set as what they concider "wealthy"

So if they raise marginal taxes, the message from the ruling class will be, if you have the potential to generate more than $80,000 worth of value for the economy, don't bother because we'd steal that and give it to less productive people. On top of that, we promise you more health care and more of this and that, as if by magic.

They do that in Europe too, with average growth rates for the past 15 years or so of about 1%, and most of that on the back of technology originated in the US in the 1980s.
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Old 02-18-2008, 09:48 AM
 
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There you go again, raise it only on the people who are successful.

Give me a break.

Heck no, raise it on those who only make <40k per year and down and FORCE the low life free loaders to work so they can pay into it too. The you will never have to raise them again.

DEMORATS= HIGHER TAXES and FREEBIES TO THE LOSERS OF THE COUNTRY

125k per year, they are paying the percentage of all your taxes now Kev, what more do you want?

Put lazey butted people to work and force the other people who wont do anything to make more money to work a second or third job so they can pay to use my roads and bridges and libraries and schools.

I say if you are unemployed and on welfare you should NOT be allowed to vote. It will force people to stop voting for the idoits who will raise all taxes on those who do work and are successful.

No loser should be allowed to raise my taxes to pay for them being a loser.

So a few weeks ago you were all for McCain, what happened Kev?
Looks like someone hasn't studied economics or social relative deprivation.

It also appears someone here is forgetting that not all social programs are stupid, or even for freeloaders.

You know, if you really want to end social entitlements, maybe you think the government ought to cut defense spending and college funding. Did you go to college? If so, then I can almost guarantee that, even if you attended a private college, you benefitted from government allocation of tax money toward a social program--even moreso if you went to a public college. Defense is similar. Collective defense is an expenditure of tax revenues on collective defense. If you trust yourself with proper expenditures of your tax money more than you trust the government, then maybe we ought to dissolve the military and make you defend yourself. Have fun trying to form a society that way.

It's a lot of fun for harumphing buffoons with no understanding of economics or social ramifications of the improper adoption of policy of social Darwinism (which, ironically, is usually the ONLY instance in which said buffoons think invoking the name of Darwin can be appropriate) to dismiss all social programs as an enabling of freeloaders, but the fact is that eliminating said programs would put us back in medieval society. I'm not sure how many people know about society prior to public education, public health, and public economic security, but everyone except the ultra-elite had a pretty rough life.
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Old 02-18-2008, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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Looks like someone hasn't studied economics or social relative deprivation.

It also appears someone here is forgetting that not all social programs are stupid, or even for freeloaders.

You know, if you really want to end social entitlements, maybe you think the government ought to cut defense spending and college funding. Did you go to college? If so, then I can almost guarantee that, even if you attended a private college, you benefitted from government allocation of tax money toward a social program--even moreso if you went to a public college. Defense is similar. Collective defense is an expenditure of tax revenues on collective defense. If you trust yourself with proper expenditures of your tax money more than you trust the government, then maybe we ought to dissolve the military and make you defend yourself. Have fun trying to form a society that way.

It's a lot of fun for harumphing buffoons with no understanding of economics or social ramifications of the improper adoption of policy of social Darwinism (which, ironically, is usually the ONLY instance in which said buffoons think invoking the name of Darwin can be appropriate) to dismiss all social programs as an enabling of freeloaders, but the fact is that eliminating said programs would put us back in medieval society. I'm not sure how many people know about society prior to public education, public health, and public economic security, but everyone except the ultra-elite had a pretty rough life.
Awesome post. It's nice to see someone with a grasp of history on here.
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Old 02-18-2008, 10:37 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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Awesome post. It's nice to see someone with a grasp of history on here.
Actually it is a pompously presumptuous post that misses the point.
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Old 02-18-2008, 11:09 AM
 
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Actually it is a pompously presumptuous post that misses the point.
Care to point out how, or are you merely playing the role of peanut gallery participant? What did I pompously presume? That you ignored the advances of society that are so important in maintaining an improvement over medieval social systems?

I think anyone who ignores the role of public programs in an ever-modernizing society just doesn't understand that we're trying to avoid being a bunch of Gaspards and Jean Valjeans.
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