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Old 07-07-2016, 11:46 AM
 
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I think this public raking over the coals is sufficient.
Public scrutiny is by no means in the same range of employer based sanctions.

 
Old 07-07-2016, 11:47 AM
 
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Public scrutiny is by no means in the same range of employer based sanctions.
She's not employed.
 
Old 07-07-2016, 11:49 AM
 
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She's not employed.
Are you really going to play this game. Her end state is to be re-employed by the people that set up the rules that she broke. She is either unemployable by this group, or needs to face sanctions before she can be employed by them again.
 
Old 07-07-2016, 11:51 AM
 
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Are you really going to play this game. Her end state is to be re-employed by the people that set up the rules that she broke. She is either unemployable by this group, or needs to face sanctions before she can be employed by them again.
What sanctions?

If the People don't think she's fit to be hired then they won't hire her.

It's really that simple.
 
Old 07-07-2016, 11:56 AM
 
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What sanctions?

If the People don't think she's fit to be hired then they won't hire her.

It's really that simple.
No, we don't live in a 100% democracy, there are rules and guidelines that oversee how this country runs and what employment rules, guidelines, and sanctions are for or federal government employees. If a federal employee abuses or ignores the rules, it is up to the federal government to determine how to treat that person and IF they are allowed to be rehired.

If any federal employee violates rules, finds a job elsewhere, and then wants to come back, we better have a system in place to make sure that IF we allow them back they either face sanctions like having some of those permissions put on probation or we just don't allow them back.

Just because they had a gap of employment does not erase their improper activities.
 
Old 07-07-2016, 12:04 PM
 
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Great, so if/when she is "rehired" what are the penalties, or should she even be eligible to be "rehired" by the federal or even state government.

Any employer would consider previous actions as an employee if they were going to re-hire someone.
Well, you would need to leave the rehiring to the potential employer - the American public.

And I would hope the public would consider her past actions before voting for her.

What would be a clusterfluck is if she were elected president and couldn't get a security clearance.
 
Old 07-07-2016, 12:09 PM
 
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Well, you would need to leave the rehiring to the potential employer - the American public.

And I would hope the public would consider her past actions before voting for her.

What would be a clusterfluck is if she were elected president and couldn't get a security clearance.
No, the problem is that the American public has no control over sanctions that should be doled out by the federal government, nor should they. FBI Director Comey himself is on record saying multiple times that any employee in this situation should face sanctions and that there is a robust process to re-review this person if they were an FBI agent, so I'd have to assume the same applies if its an ex agent looking to come back to the agency.

I agree its a mess if she got elected and couldn't get security clearance, but thats the crux of the problem that she created for herself.
 
Old 07-07-2016, 12:27 PM
 
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No, the problem is that the American public has no control over sanctions that should be doled out by the federal government, nor should they. FBI Director Comey himself is on record saying multiple times that any employee in this situation should face sanctions and that there is a robust process to re-review this person if they were an FBI agent, so I'd have to assume the same applies if its an ex agent looking to come back to the agency.

I agree its a mess if she got elected and couldn't get security clearance, but thats the crux of the problem that she created for herself.
It turns out that the the three emails in question very barely marked classified were not actually classified at all and that the markings were human error.
 
Old 07-07-2016, 12:33 PM
 
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Neither the President nor the Secretary of State are subject to such administrative action. Practically the President can fire the Secretary of State or either can be impeached for cause. That is it.

The purported classified document marking turn out to be basically markings on two or three call scheduling document which were likely not correct and that Clinton may well not have known about.

All of these documents appear to have been generated within the State Dept and their classification therefore would be up to Clinton.

Perfectly fair to question her judgement but not her legality.
 
Old 07-07-2016, 12:34 PM
 
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It turns out that the the three emails in question very barely marked classified were not actually classified at all and that the markings were human error.
I'm not sure where that new 3 number comes from that Cummings was asking about. The original statement from Comey states:
https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/pr...-e-mail-system
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From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification.
This 3 vs any other number or fact changes nothing. FBI director Comey was obviously aware of all of this when he made his statement about an employee needing to face a re-assessment and some sort of sanctions.
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