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You are very confident that you have the right adjective.
The Online Etymology dictionary gives the following original definitions. pander (n.) "arranger of sexual liaisons, one who supplies another with the means of gratifying lust," 1520s, "pimp". pander (v.) "to indulge (another), to minister to base passions," c. 1600, from pander (n.).
I suspect you are thinking more of the Merriam Webster definition pander (verb) "to do or provide what someone wants or demands even though it is not proper, good, or reasonable"
Tim Kaine delivering the first ever congressional speech in Spanish on June 2013.
Do you feel that Kaine's speech is not "proper, good, or reasonable"?
I doubt that any other language has ever been spoken by such a large percentage of American citizens. At one point Italian may have been close.
So? They also speak our national de facto, common language of English which most of our citizens do so what's your point? The Democrats already have the Hispanic vote locked up so why pander?
Spanish speakers in the USA have surpassed in numbers both Spain and Colombia. US has 41 million native speakers plus 11 million who are bilingual. Compared to Colombia (48 million) and Spain (46 million) and second only to Mexico (121 million). https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...eaking-country
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Still third world and that is what separates from SA. Yo guys should dig up Santa Anna aske him why he sold to the US fro10 million dollars ?
Lots of Latinos aren't immigrants, but are native born. This will increase over time. Like the judge who Trump accused of bias because of his ethnicity.
Trying to "pander" to xenophobic whites may work in the primary, but has been a loser in the general.
Please proceed, Governor.
And continue to lose the Latino/Hispanic vote for a generation.
This is an ignorant post^^^^
Only a close-minded, biased person would believe that only "xenophobic whites" are against illegal immigration.
Way to go for stereotyping all Latino/Hispanic voters as wanting open borders and amnesty for illegals. How bigoted!
Much of the Latino population is increasing via illegal immigration and anchor babies. And the latter are eligible to vote when they become of age. That's a good thing? They'll vote for open borders and their own selfish interests.
Trump did not attack the judge merely on is Mexican roots it was because of his ties to illegal alien advocacy groups. His own lawyer's group gave scholarships to illegal aliens. Why do the left and ethnocentrics continue to spin this over and over?
Xenophobic whites? What does xenophobia have to do with wanting our immigration laws respected and enforced while we embrace legal immigration? It's not only whites that feel that way either. Just more spin and lies by the left and ethnocentrics.
Most of the Latino vote is lost to the Republicans anyway unless they agree to thumb their noses at our immigration laws for them. What an anti-American, selfish stance to take. Yet whites are the racists?
Castilian Spanish is the official national language of Spain. However, there are other co-official languages spoken in Spain´s many culturally diverse regions that form an important part of the Spanish cultural patrimony. During the dictatorship of Franco many of these languages in Spain were repressed. However with the arrival of democracy these regional languages in Spain have been able to flourish again. Today, the regional languages are legitimate and acceptable means of communication accepted by the Spanish community.
Franco gained power over Spain in 1939 and controlled Spain until his death in 1975. He believed that Castilian culture and language should be central to economic, political, and social institutions in all regions. He promised "to enforce a brand of traditionalist and authoritarian Spanish nationalism that harbored no expression of the distinct 'minority cultures', such as Catalan. Franco prohibited the use of Catalan names. Castilian equivalents had to be used, during his regime, religious services were held in Castilian, and Castilian was the only language permitted to be used in public. Schools were banned from teaching Catalan. Few books were published in Catalan and any that were published were not popularly read because most Catalans could not read Catalan. Images of popular Catalan culture like the sardanes, a traditional Catalan dance, were also banned. Popular symbols of Catalan nationalism, such as statues, portraits, the flag, were all removed from public view.Even the names of streets that were in Catalan were changed to a Castilian name.
So if you were running for political offices in the Catalan region of Spain where Catalan is the first language of 1.940 million citizens, and Spanish is the first language of 2.275 million citizens would you refuse to speak in Catalan on the grounds that Spanish is the official language of Spain? It would remind the older people of the dictatorship that ended 40 years earlier, and it would insult the younger people. If you don't speak Catalan yourself, you would probably make some effort to have individuals on your staff that do.
Nationwide in Spain speakers of Catalan compose about 17% of the population, which coincidentally is roughly the same percentage of Latinos in the USA. Similarly, there is a history of open warfare between the Anglos and Mexicans.
Although his Spanish was mostly hysterical, GW Bush made a very strong effort to connect to Latinos and was rewarded with the highest percentage of the Latino vote ever recorded for a GOP candidate in 2004.
The point made is that suppressing language use by a community is generally counterproductive in the long run and leads to divisiveness - as you've well documented in Spain (lot of separatist sentiment in areas such as Catalan and Basque).
The point made is that suppressing language use by a community is generally counterproductive in the long run and leads to divisiveness - as you've well documented in Spain (lot of separatist sentiment in areas such as Catalan and Basque).
Fear of languages is generally for the small minded. I have had people in food service tell me that they cannot talk to fellow co-workers in Spanish. The reason is that Anglo customers complain because they think that the workers are talking about the customers. So management enforces and English only policy even when talking to each other, or talking to a customer who clearly speaks Spanish.
While Spanish may predominate in some areas of the USA, it is never going to displace English. People who say that are simply paranoid.
Fear of languages is generally for the small minded. I have had people in food service tell me that they cannot talk to fellow co-workers in Spanish. The reason is that Anglo customers complain because they think that the workers are talking about the customers. So management enforces and English only policy even when talking to each other, or talking to a customer who clearly speaks Spanish.
While Spanish may predominate in some areas of the USA, it is never going to displace English. People who say that are simply paranoid.
Every country harbors multiple languages.
It's rude when you are on the clock to speak in a foreign tongue with your co-workers in most places where it's in earshot of customers. I have even seen clerks start speaking in Spanish to a customer when they don't even know if they speak English or not. My wife's former employer made that rule and posted it on the employee bulletin board. A Spanish speaking employee ripped it off the board in anger. To get hired in the first place you had to be able to speak English so just what was the problem? They were allowed to speak Spanish on their breaks and lunches.
It's not about paranoia but rudeness. However, when you have to listen to Spanish everywhere you go it does pour salt in the wound as to how many illegals are here from mostly Spanish speaking countries. Of course not all of them speaking Spanish are here illegally but that's not the point. Even those who know how to speak English and are citizens or legal immigrants of this country choose Spanish in public and not just private conversations either. It does make one feel like they are living in Mexico or some other Latino country. I don't know why anyone can't understand that and in fact demonize those of us who feel that way.
Fear of languages is generally for the small minded. I have had people in food service tell me that they cannot talk to fellow co-workers in Spanish. The reason is that Anglo customers complain because they think that the workers are talking about the customers. So management enforces and English only policy even when talking to each other, or talking to a customer who clearly speaks Spanish.
While Spanish may predominate in some areas of the USA, it is never going to displace English. People who say that are simply paranoid.
Every country harbors multiple languages.
Oh, gimme a break!
Here's the downside to speaking Spanish (or another foreign language) on the job.
Case in point --- We were eating at a chain restaurant where the kitchen is open to the dining area. Three Hispanic men were doing the cooking. Within earshot, was the cashier who was not Hispanic. The GM joined her to talk. Meanwhile, the 3 men were talking about the cashier in Spanish and kept referring to her using a Spanish word that denigrates women. Each time they said it, they were laughing. These vile, arrogant men figured that no one in the dining room knew any Spanish. They were wrong. I reported the encounter to corporate HQ. It was obvious that the GM didn't know Spanish and it was confirmed when he called me to discuss the incident. By allowing these men to speak Spanish while working in an open kitchen, they were showing a lack of respect for the GM and offending customers who knew Spanish.
Expecting people to speak English on the job is not "small minded". Nor is it "paranoia". However, it is rude to speak another language when others don't know that language. If they want to speak Spanish (or whatever language) while away from their jobs while on break, that's fine.
I also reported a cashier in a store who could barely speak English and didn't understand what I was telling her when there was a problem. She called over a supervisor and they were talking about me and the problem in Spanish. I understood Spanish---but they didn't know that until I let them know I understood. I let the manager know I was not happy about any of this. I never saw that cashier or her supervisor again when I shopped there. Were they fired? Did they quit? I don't know.
Thank you! You will notice that I didn't call anyone here "small minded", but just a behavior.
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The GM joined her to talk. Meanwhile, the 3 men were talking about the cashier in Spanish and kept referring to her using a Spanish word that denigrates women. Each time they said it, they were laughing. These vile, arrogant men figured that no one in the dining room knew any Spanish. They were wrong. I reported the encounter to corporate HQ.
But you are not giving an example of Spanish hurting anyone. These men could be talking "argot" . The error is in denigrating women.
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Expecting people to speak English on the job is not "small minded". Nor is it "paranoia". However, it is rude to speak another language when others don't know that language. If they want to speak Spanish (or whatever language) while away from their jobs while on break, that's fine.
Why is it rude? What if the customer is struggling to say what he wants since English is his second language and the clerk also speaks English as a second language? What if they share a joke? Should they be punished because someone overhears them and thinks they are laughing at them.
The brain processes your first language different than your second language. It doesn't matter how fluent you are!
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It's not about paranoia but rudeness. However, when you have to listen to Spanish everywhere you go it does pour salt in the wound as to how many illegals are here from mostly Spanish speaking countries. Of course not all of them speaking Spanish are here illegally but that's not the point.
That's a lot of anger caused by simply overhearing a language. I assume you know about "code switching". When a person speaks two languages fluently, their mind tends to reach for the word that most clearly expresses what you want to say. The word comes out of their mouth, but sometimes mixed in with the other language. An English speaker may say "of course" while a Spanish speaker may say "Claro".
Do you get angry if you hear Cajun speakers?
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Oh, please! Trump has never said "Make America Hate Again" --- and you know it. Yet you go and accuse people of being bigots, when it is you in fact, who is the bigot. And then you invoke Godwin's Law. You lose. Big time.
It is rude when someone on a work site is speaking another language other than English and not everybody can speak that language. In fact, I gave you a good example as to how speaking another language should not be allowed on the work site. Yet, you made excuses for those workers, when what they did was inexcusable. It's despicable that you find it okay that they were talking like that in earshot of customers---and their supervisor.
What you don't get is this --- English is the language that binds us all.
Now, I'm done talking to you and dealing with your hatefulness.
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