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Old 08-05-2016, 05:15 PM
 
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immigrants can legally vote. Melania Trump, for example, is an immigrant. Assuming she registered, she can vote. Same for Jeb Bush's wife. She's also an immigrant and she can vote if she chooses.
Yes, if an immigrant is a naturalized US citizen s/he is eligible to vote in elections.
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Old 08-05-2016, 05:38 PM
 
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Yes, if an immigrant is a naturalized US citizen s/he is eligible to vote in elections.
Agreed.
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Old 08-05-2016, 05:43 PM
 
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If you mean Jeb Bush, I think he deserves more credit than that. He met his future wife while on mission work in Leon, Mexico. They married, he converted to R. Catholicism, he ranks in the Knights of Columbus, & he rose in GOP politics & real estate. After all these years, by now surely Jeb is bicultural as well as bilingual. He speaks Spanish well from a script, I can't tell from that how he'd do in a spontaneous conversation, but he sounded good.


I'm sure he's done other things, in terms of his Spanish proficiency. As compared to Trump, Jeb's whole take on foreign countries & policy is clearly different - although Trump too has yet to marry within his nationality. That aside, Jeb has been married for quite some time (since 1974) to the mother of his children, & he didn't make his living in the superheated air of real estate mogul & developer, & reality star celebrity. Jeb also took the time & effort to learn Spanish & to embrace the culture.


If the choice were only between Trump & Jeb, I'd pick Jeb in a heartbeat.

Are you aware that Jeb was open about giving amnesty to illegal aliens and that he said coming here illegally "is an act of love"? No thanks. I am sure his views are in part due to having a Mexican wife so no bias there, right?
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Old 08-05-2016, 05:47 PM
 
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immigrants can legally vote. Melania Trump, for example, is an immigrant. Assuming she registered, she can vote. Same for Jeb Bush's wife. She's also an immigrant and she can vote if she chooses.

Um no, Melania Trump is a naturalized citizen not an immigrant anymore. Jeb's wife is not an immigrant anymore either she is also a naturalized citizen. You have to be a citizen to vote not an immigrant.
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Old 08-05-2016, 07:43 PM
 
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Um no, Melania Trump is a naturalized citizen not an immigrant anymore. Jeb's wife is not an immigrant anymore either she is also a naturalized citizen. You have to be a citizen to vote not an immigrant.
They are also immigrants. They did not cease being an immigrant when they became citizens.

Immigrant | Define Immigrant at Dictionary.com

immigrant
noun a person who migrates to another country, usually for permanent residence.
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Old 08-05-2016, 09:57 PM
 
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I think this thread got sidetracked from the original post. I make this statement entirely without value judgement.

Donald Trump's campaign is aimed at the following 12 states that were won by the Democrats in 2012. If Colorado and Virginia are close to the national level of White, Non Latino population, almost all of those states have a higher percentage of WNL than the national average.

WNL percentage
  1. 92.6% 4 *Maine
  2. 89.3% 4 *New Hampshire
  3. 89.0% 6 *Iowa
  4. 82.7% 18 *Ohio
  5. 82.3% 10 *Wisconsin
  6. 81.8% 10 *Minnesota
  7. 81.3% 20 *Pennsylvania
  8. 79.0% 10 *Michigan
  9. 63.7% 9 *Colorado
  10. 62.1% 13 *Virginia
  11. 55.6% 29 *Florida
  12. 48.2% 6 *Nevada
Trump will also campaign in 5 of the 24 states that Barack Obama lost in 2012. But frankly if Hillary wins a state that Obama lost in 2012, it will be a minor miracle and death to the GOP candidacy.

Assuming that Hillary loses all 24 states that Obama lost, Trump must win states totaling 63 electoral college votes from the above 12 states to get a tie.

For example DJT could win the following 5 states, all of which have high percentage of WNL voters, and just barely win the Presidential election.
20 Pennsylvania
18 Ohio
10 Michigan
10 Wisconsin
6 Iowa
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Old 08-06-2016, 07:46 AM
 
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They are also immigrants. They did not cease being an immigrant when they became citizens.

Immigrant | Define Immigrant at Dictionary.com

immigrant
noun a person who migrates to another country, usually for permanent residence.

They came here as immigrants but now they are citizens. Only citizens can vote not immigrants.
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Old 08-07-2016, 06:05 AM
 
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They came here as immigrants but now they are citizens. Only citizens can vote not immigrants.
The terms "foreign born" and "immigrant" refer to an event in a person's life. My grandfather was both an immigrant and foreign born because he came to USA from Spain in 1920 at age 19, and when he died at age 90 he was still an immigrant and foreign born.
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Old 08-07-2016, 08:01 AM
 
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The terms "foreign born" and "immigrant" refer to an event in a person's life. My grandfather was both an immigrant and foreign born because he came to USA from Spain in 1920 at age 19, and when he died at age 90 he was still an immigrant and foreign born.

Did he become a citizen? That means he was once an immigrant but became a citizen. His status was citizen not immigrant otherwise how do you decipher between an person who has not yet naturalized and one who has?
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Old 08-12-2016, 08:10 AM
 
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Did he become a citizen? That means he was once an immigrant but became a citizen. His status was citizen not immigrant otherwise how do you decipher between an person who has not yet naturalized and one who has?
The census uses "naturalized foreign born" and "not naturalized foreign born". They can't use legal or illegal since those numbers have to be estimated because no one will accurately check a box.

Naturalized is a status that changes in your life. "Foreign born" and "immigrant" refers to part of your past. It never changes for your whole life. My great uncle immigrated from Hungary in 1956 during the revolution. He was "foreign born" and an immigrant until the day he died last month. But he became a citizen so he was "naturalized".
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