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You like that word "amigos" don't you? Do you refer to African Americans as "the brothers" and Asians as "fellow orientals"?
Just a historical fact, when "New Spain" declared their independence 34 years after the colonists of British North America declared their independence, they expected the USA to be their greatest ally. Many of the political leaders had lived in the USA, in particular in New Orleans. The country's name was "United States of Mexico" chosen in a deliberate sign of respect. Much of the political organization and ideology was based on the USA.
Most of the acceptable form of money came from Mexico in the form of silver dollars. The First Bank of the United States, chartered for a term of twenty years, by the United States Congress on February 25, 1791 followed by the the Second Bank of the United States, had a 20-year charter starting from February 1816. Neither of these banks outlived their charter. The Spanish dollar was the coin upon which the original United States dollar was based, and it remained legal tender in the United States until the Coinage Act of 1857.
Many of the founders of Mexico were shocked by the aggression that the USA showed towards the new republics.
A good historical perspective.
Anglos pretty much took over Texas from the Tejanos in the same way that some way that some accuse Mexicans of today.
Anglos pretty much took over Texas from the Tejanos in the same way that some way that some accuse Mexicans of today.
The Mexicans in question are mostly illegal aliens so they have no right to any part of this country anymore. We have every right to enforce our immigration laws against them.
I am not sure why you are harping on this point. It is not rocket science - in order to appeal to a demographic (what ever that may be), you want to make a connection with that group. Speaking spanish to a bi-lingual audience makes a connection with that group. It is not required - but it is beneficial. This is no more pandering than talking about your working class up bringing to make a connection with a blue collar audience, or talking about golf to an audience of golf fans.
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But again I reiterate that one has to know English to become a citizen and only citizens can vote so why do some politicians pander to them in Spanish? Native born Hispanics would naturally know English.
I am not sure why you are harping on this point. It is not rocket science - in order to appeal to a demographic (what ever that may be), you want to make a connection with that group. Speaking spanish to a bi-lingual audience makes a connection with that group. It is not required - but it is beneficial. This is no more pandering than talking about your working class up bringing to make a connection with a blue collar audience, or talking about golf =to an audience of golf fans.
Are our politicians speaking Chinese to Chinese-Americans (for one example)? If any citizens are bi-lingual then why not address them in English? That's not a connection? Yes, it is pandering and is comparing apples to oranges in your analogies. This is about the language of our nation not about those who work here or what their line of work is.
The Black population had shifted largely from Republican to Democrat for a three decade period. The Civil rights Act of 1964 proved to be significant in that only 6% the black population in that election only voted for the GOP candidate. Despite some significant black Republicans, the core black population has never deviated from loyalty to the Democratic party.
But two things are very significant. Congressional opposition the the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was largely divided along geographic lines. The 11 states that had been part of the Confederacy largely voted against the act, regardless of being Democratic or Republican. The majority of congressmen in the other 39 states voted for the act, once again regardless of party affiliation. But the GOP congressional candidate, Barry Goldwater was against the act, and he ended up winning only 5 former Confederacy states plus Arizona.
Latinos, like blacks of the 1940's-1950's can be said to "lean Democrat" with GW Bush nearly balancing out Democratic lead by 2004. As everyone saw, there were two prominent Latinos in the GOP run for POTUS, and one gringo who speaks fluent Spanish
Keep in mind that after the Democrats passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, the most die hard segregationist Democrats from the South left the party and joined the Republicans. They were welcomed with open arms, and Republican antipathy to black Americans has become a hallmark of the party since, and steadily increasing over the last quarter century. The GOP made a devil's bargain back in the late 1960s and early 1970s, and that's gotten out of control in 2016.
With Trump, the Republicans seem to be going down the same road vis-a-vis Latinos, only faster and more blatantly.
You like that word "amigos" don't you? Do you refer to African Americans as "the brothers" and Asians as "fellow orientals"?
Just a historical fact, when "New Spain" declared their independence 34 years after the colonists of British North America declared their independence, they expected the USA to be their greatest ally. Many of the political leaders had lived in the USA, in particular in New Orleans. The country's name was "United States of Mexico" chosen in a deliberate sign of respect. Much of the political organization and ideology was based on the USA.
Most of the acceptable form of money came from Mexico in the form of silver dollars. The First Bank of the United States, chartered for a term of twenty years, by the United States Congress on February 25, 1791 followed by the the Second Bank of the United States, had a 20-year charter starting from February 1816. Neither of these banks outlived their charter. The Spanish dollar was the coin upon which the original United States dollar was based, and it remained legal tender in the United States until the Coinage Act of 1857.
Many of the founders of Mexico were shocked by the aggression that the USA showed towards the new republics.
That's the way things rolled back then. Def goes without saying the US should've taken ALL of Mexico in 1848, not half.
The Hispanic minority is the largest in the nation, and they have been affronted mightily over the past 4 years. Do not expect them to remain passive forever. No minority has ever remained passive in this nation forever.
And, just how have all Hispanics been "affronted mightily over the past 4 years"?
You have to let me know so that I can tell all my Hispanic relatives that they need to feel as if they have been "affronted mightily".
Sure, if a politician happens to speak Chinese I would expect them to speak Chinese to a Chinese audience. That would immediately endear them to a the audience.
You seem to have serious xenophobia about bi-lingual folk.
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Originally Posted by Oldglory
Are our politicians speaking Chinese to Chinese-Americans (for one example)? If any citizens are bi-lingual then why not address them in English? That's not a connection? Yes, it is pandering and is comparing apples to oranges in your analogies. This is about the language of our nation not about those who work here or what their line of work is.
Sure, if a politician happens to speak Chinese I would expect them to speak Chinese to a Chinese audience. That would immediately endear them to a the audience.
You seem to have serious xenophobia about bi-lingual folk.
They can't endear to them in English since you have to know English to become a citizen and if born here of course they would know English? Keep your insults to yourself. A xenophobic has a fear of strangers. Who's a stranger to our country? I have nothing against bi-linguals in fact that is basis for my argument. Bi-lingual in this country means knowing English and another foreign language. You still have made no plausible arguments if they are bi-lingual why they shouldn't be addressed in English.
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As far as I am aware, you are free to speak what ever language you would like in the US. You don't give up that right when you become a politician. Politicians can address an audience in what ever language they choose, and I am not sure why (besides xenophobia) you would have a problem with this.
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Originally Posted by Oldglory
They can't endear to them in English since you have to know English to become a citizen and if born here of course they would know English? Keep your insults to yourself. A xenophobic has a fear of strangers. Who's a stranger to our country? I have nothing against bi-linguals in fact that is basis for my argument. Bi-lingual in this country means knowing English and another foreign language. You still have made no plausible arguments if they are bi-lingual why they shouldn't be addressed in English.
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